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The use of click tracks for the group project gave me an idea
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Ripton
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@cid , absolutely. I'd like to see how it works out. Probably even try it myself. I play alone 99% of the time. My timing is horrible. I think this could help. 

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Ripton said
@cid , absolutely. I'd like to see how it works out. Probably even try it myself. I play alone 99% of the time. My timing is horrible. I think this could help. 

  

@Ripton, if I get it, I will let you know how it is. It has mixed reviews, but some of the reviews I read sounded like they were reviewing something else.

Except for lessons, I play on my own. Given my poor timing, even when playing with my instructor, I am playing alone 😂😂😂.

I did the group project for the first time, I am thinking that is basically alone, to a metronome (the click track). It is a remote group. LOL You get as many do-overs as you need and when you mess up, nobody else is affected. 

That said, doing that group project has made me more aware of the importance of timing. As a result, I have become more aware of timing with the Vocalise for cello I am doing in lessons. My instructor will be pleased 😁.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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@cid @Ripton and others -

The Korg in-ear metronome looks like a useful device.  I'm sure it is accurate and if it is set to a specific bpm, that indeed is what it will be in today's high-tech digital world, I have no doubt about that.

I would however strongly urge a little caution - if you noticed ( well, you probably didn't because, well, just because it's not immediately obvious ) - the bpm shown on the sheet for The Little Drummer Boy was 120.    As it turns out - in reality the CLICK TRACK was NOT at 120bpm at all - it was in reality 118  ( just trust me on this - I'll keep the post short for ripton's benefit ROFL Stevie !!! ).  At the end of say 90 seconds if you had recorded against a 120 bpm in-ear you would be playing slightly fast (compared to the real click track), slowly getting out of step with others who ARE using the click track, and eventually finishing about a bar early....  Not good for synchronisation, and would probably have to be rejected for inclusion in the overall mix.  [ I say "probably" - because audio can be time-stretched while preserving pitch - but that is a time-consuming task - and I wouldn't think it is one of the magic-incantations used by Pierre to pull these mixes together ]

Also, sometimes on sheet the tempo is not indicated anyway, with total reliance being placed on the click track.

So, just beware of potential pit-falls if you plan to "move away" from using the published click-track !

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Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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@BillyG For Fiddlerman group projects, I would always use the provided click track. The one exception to using my phone after other devices’ batteries have died and are charging. The one exception when I would fit a little larger table beside me to allow for a pad rather than a phone.

I would be using this for myself for lesson pieces and things I am working on on my own. I could bring it to my lesson when I get a song up to a spot where I can start paying attention to timing. My instructor could set it to the speed he is counting at, in case he is using a different speed than notated. I would just use his setting for that song and note it on the sheet music for when I change it for another song.

This is not to replace a click track for one of Pierre’s group projects. This is for learning purposes. Remember, I do not now, nor will I in the future, play with anyone else. I am just doing this for my own enjoyment and benefit. Matching up or synchronizing with others is not a concern for me. I would just like to be able to keep the right time throughout a song, and at the speed we do in lessons, for lesson songs.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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@cid - oh, for sure I appreciate that - for folks' own work, study and progress - absolutely perfect I imagine (well, depending on the nature of the audible clicks).  Would love to hear your feedback on the device if you get a chance to see and try it out!

My words were just a general caveat for those who may be unaware of potential issues - especially on group projects, where, as you effectively say "the absolute timing-frame-of-reference is the published click track"

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Will for sure let you all know how it is.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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The Korg In ear sounds like an interesting and useful device. My metronome with ear jack is also a Korg ....a KDM-2. It has a volume control. Won't fit in my ear though 🙂

Billy G makes a good point, that sometimes when sending tracks back and forth the metronomes aren't synced exactly right. One might say 118, One 221 etc...hence the need for a common reference. A similar thing is done when multitrack recording since all tracks follow a common click. Usually the drums are first followed by the bass in a pop/rock mix. To make matters even more complicated there's a slight amount of meta data added to the front of an mp3 file while a .wav file doesn't have it. If you mixed two identical tracks in those formats you would find the timing off slightly because of this. A good audio engineer doesn't like mp3 tracks because they are compressed and degraded, unless that's all he has and the client is paying regardless. I only mixed one album like that...not bad but could have been a lot better. I was tempted to say no but it was a friend of mine..

The only time this might be an issue for you is if you record something and want to send it to someone else. Which means probably never because you don't intend to play in a group or send a track. I hope you do sometime though because it's really fun as you seen with the LDB project.

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@cid - "Vocalise" - I had to search that out (it was lost somewhere in the depths of my memory) and hit on a violin performance by Perlman.   

Then I recalled it.... yeah - of course I recall it now - I find it an interesting and "complicated" piece in a musical sense and I DO like it - but don't get me wrong, I found it great to hear again, but found it just as "unsettling" as when I first encountered it.... [ That's not a "bad thing" - to my ear it is continually searching for a "resolution" - and that's OK - but not what I intentionally seek out for listening ]

Good wishes on your progress with the piece !  

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@BillyG  “Vocalise” (pronounce “vocal lease”, means, “Song Without Words”. I posted a link to Anna Moffo “vocalizing” it, somewhere on the site. It is lovely. A long long time ago cellists figured it was a great piece for cello, and it is lovely, when done properly. I am not there yet. LOL. 

The two cellists from Two Cellos each did it. One, Luca, did it on an electric cello. The other did it on am acoustic. It is interesting to listen to their different takes. They are both simply beautiful renditions. 

I need the metronome beats to keep the timing correct. Tomorrow, I will, hopefully, get to see that In-Ear metronome. According to the store’s site, it is in stock.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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BillyG said
@cid @Ripton and others -

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So, just beware of potential pit-falls if you plan to "move away" from using the published click-track !

  

I would always use the click track for a project as submitted. But this is another tool to consider for my overall practice with timing... thanks. 

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@Ripton and others:

I received the Korg In-Ear Metronome Friday. Due to my issues, I have not been able to use it with the piece I am working on because I can’t do my cello for a little while. I was going to do the violin, but it would be too much violin bow hold and bowing without counteracting it with my cello bow hold and bowing, therefore, hindering my cello. I might try it an set a timer to remind me to stop.

Anyway, I did, however, set it up to the setting I would need for Vocalise. It set up really easy. It is comfortable on the ear. The sound is fine. Some reviews did not like the sound, it is a metronome not a drone, geesh. Sounds like a metronome.

After I actually use it, I will put up a review in the review section. I will try to record the sound for you. I might be able to do a little video, we will see if I am savvy enough.  

I have two stitches and a huge bruise where I hug my cello, so, I can’t support it or my electric cello at the moment. My playing, although greatly improved, is still “painful” without the stitches and bruising. I tried yesterday and it was a no go. 😥

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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Here is an example of a rather larger metronome but I like it.

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and as an added plus you can hitch the trailer up and pull the band and all the gear to the gig.  

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