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Gavotte by JB Lully
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September 22, 2019 - 12:34 pm
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I have just started Gavotte by JB Lully. 

It is fairly straight forward up to measure 21. There it begins to be a bit tricky. I do like starting at the end of new pieces and working forward, but the end of this pretty much a repeat of the beginning, whereas measures 21-32 are a little tricky.

I have been doing measures 22 and 23 over and over. There is a shift. Not a difficult shift. But it is all eighth notes. Most of you know the issue I have with a lot of black notes on a page. Panic. 

I am not sure if I should at least get the beginning down a little bit, and then tackle those measures, or continue to work on measures 21-32. 

I am tempted to actually take those two measure, 22 and 23 and get out my staff paper and write it out in quarter notes. I can’t think to treat them as quarter when seeing eighth notes. My concern is that once I starting that, I will be creating a habit that I do not want to always be doing. But, I was thinking it might help be at least get the rhythm and fingering down. Then I can continue with measures 24-32 from the paper and maybe be able to do it with a little more confidence. But if it will cause an issue down the line, I don’t want to do that either. I don’t think I have improved it at all and I have been spending a lot of time on measures 22 and 23 the last two days.

Any thoughts?

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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I don't have the sheet in front of me, so I'll just go by the general rule I use for learning a new piece. Start out with the hardest pieces of a new tune. This would help with the piece as a whole. There's no need to waste valuable practice time on things that go relatively smoothly. Put your focus into the difficult parts, then when the difficult parts become easier you should look more closely on the easier parts to honey up the edges.
For the writing out part, I wouldn't do it. Instead, I would just play through it slowly until it's well under the fingers. Maybe even memorized if that helps. Then turn up the tempo until it's about the right tempo in relation to the rest of the piece.

'Armed with theory, practice becomes meaningful. Through practice, theory becomes fulfilled.' - Egon von Neindorff.

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September 22, 2019 - 2:49 pm
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@HP Thank you.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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cid said
I have just started Gavotte by JB Lully. 

I am tempted to actually take those two measure, 22 and 23 and get out my staff paper and write it out in quarter notes. I can’t think to treat them as quarter when seeing eighth notes. My concern is that once I starting that, I will be creating a habit that I do not want to always be doing. But, I was thinking it might help be at least get the rhythm and fingering down. Then I can continue with measures 24-32 from the paper and maybe be able to do it with a little more confidence. But if it will cause an issue down the line, I don’t want to do that either. I don’t think I have improved it at all and I have been spending a lot of time on measures 22 and 23 the last two days.

Any thoughts?

  

@cid I am assuming this is cello, so I do not have much help for you there.  I do not know the fingering, the clef, or much about the bowing to know what is your best plan of attack.

I can tell you in general, when I approach a new or challenging piece, I will typically first attempt to play it through in its entirety.  That way I will know exactly where the stumbling blocks are.  When I am working on the parts that give me the most problems I will play it extremely slow.. measure by measure.  This will give me a mental and physical idea of what is actually going on.  And invariably, when I break it down, the piece is usually not quite as complicated as I made it out to be in my head.

That's about the best advise I can give you.  Take it very slow.  I don't have any other tricks or secrets.

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September 22, 2019 - 3:41 pm
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 This is for my violin lessons. I should have stated that.

Yep, I did go through it. We did it in class, too, as much as I could. My instructor said he knows I have in me what is needed, so we will see. 

There will probably be a post about the pieces I am doing on my cello. I might have one of those issues figured out.

I have major timing and rhythm issues with everything and that is one of the issues with this song as well as fingering the notes, and that does not help. No, a metronome app does not help. I cannot use my phone for that while playing. My battery will go dead and I need it charged at all times in case I get an emergency call (personal). They are never loud enough. I have a metronome I that I used with my piano that would be great, but where I practice, there is absolutely no way to plug it in. There is a metronome on my tuner, but again, is not loud enough and it very confusing to use. 

I think that for the timing, I will find a video and listen to it over and over. That should get that in my head.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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