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Katie M
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I thought I’d post this I think I’m doing it right but not sure! Maybe someone can tell me please ? I didn’t think I’d like the knuckle dropping feeling ( I know that’s weird) but it feels ok.

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Looks like you are doing It right for me, Hard to tell but I think it sounds like you are pressing way to hard. I myself am trying to learn arm vibrato, what you are doing Is wrist, with wrist you keep the same movement in the lower position as well, I found arm easier than wrist, but its a matter of personal preference. The only thing I can teĺl you that may be helpful is that your fingers must be completely relaxed, its very difficult to do but from my point of view unless my hand and arm is completely relaxed it makes itt very hard indeed.. A lot of people who do the kind of vibrato you are practicing, is that once they use it in the first position they tend to move their wrist backwards and forwards rather than their hand, this gives the feeling of  vibrato but is incorrect. All I can tell you though is my own opinion and remember I am still learning this very hard technique as well. Once you get it, the struggle is then perfecting and enhancing it.

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Thank you Stringy! I actually cut my finger after the making of that video! Maybe it’s a sign and I’m not supposed to be learning vibrato yet!! I’m staying in third positing for the time being I’m in no hurry to go down to first. I’m just trying to get the motion!  I’ll address how hard I’m pressing !

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Nooooo, not a sign that you are not supposed to learn vibrato yet..... 🤣

This was a while ago right? You posted other videos where your progress was very evident. I think I'm just seeing these posts out of order.

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- transplanted my post here from 'Halloween Again'.

 

@Katie M -

Hey, missed your post! 

Starting to get vibrato better on all strings, but sure had a lot of trouble while recording my last 2 videos - mostly because the blouse I was wearing was made of slippery material... my violin was moving all over.  Maybe I was also tired before I even started, messing with the stupid Halloween make-up. (lol) 

I'm still working on a fuller vibrato in practice, but it's all going to take me more time practicing.

I haven't forgotten your Party - really want to record my piece for it before I start on the Christmas GP!  

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f9/48/48/f9484849e943e503b458535561b76982--vintage-halloween-cards-vintage-cards.jpg

 

Thanks for asking! 

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@Katie M -

I love this little article by Lora from Meadowlark Violins - had to find where I stashed it. (lol) 

It's not too early to just start preparing for vibrato! 

When should I learn vibrato - 12 Ways to Prepare For Vibrato

 

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Wish I would've known more about loosening my knuckles, etc...

All this info would have helped me when I started playing - to at least now what direction I'd be heading. (lol)

- Emily

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Thanks for posting Emily it’s a good read. 
I was doing a few exercises a few months ago but I got a lot of other things to practice. I’m thinking maybe I should just spend a few minutes a day doing them.

Also my teacher did recommend using a book called Viva Vibrato and I found it second hand for a few quid. 

Are you at the point where you are including it in your pieces or are you trying to get better before you do that ? Are you wrist or arm ?

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@Katie M -

Trying to practice my pieces with a wider/more relaxed wrist vibrato, but while I'm focused on that process everything else suffers - so it's staying in practice, for now. (lol) 

Harder for me to do arm vibrato, think I really need to change out my shoulder rest - I'm using next to nothing & don't want to force my jaw to clamp down. 

I'm also at the point I think I really should start using a metronome to help me regulate & vary speed more on what little vibrato I do have. 

Doesn't help that 99.9% of my time I'm stuck in bed with my legs up (multiple health reasons) - so that's where I have to practice, not the best for Violin posture.

 

Thank you, for telling me about the book!  Let me know if there's anything you find especially helpful.  I'll check into it! 

- Emily

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Ah ok ! My book is coming Wednesday it’s supposed to be very good according to my teacher. I seem to be getting somewhere when I practice with my hand against the body of the violin. Also Nicola benedetti videos are amazing really clear !!!

t=623s

There is a second part as well.

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@Katie M -

Thank you, very much! 

I appreciate you shared those videos!  Watched them along with MANY others about a year ago.  Of course I don't remember everything - so, it was really nice to go over them again. 

Have to say I'm probably only at the end of her 1st video with my vibrato, but moved to 1st position a while back. 

I do try to go through and slowly use vibrato even on tunes that I wouldn't normally use it - just to try different notes/finger patterns. 

Still have a ways to go to be more even.

 

 

...I still sound like an ambulance.  🤣 

- Emily

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ELCBK said

Doesn't help that 99.9% of my time I'm stuck in bed with my legs up (multiple health reasons) - so that's where I have to practice, not the best for Violin posture.

Emily, I'm torn between offering sympathy and suggesting the cello might work for you. (consider yourself hugged. I can't find the smiley)

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@Gordon Shumway -

🤣 Thank you!  Ilona's daughter showed she could play the cello while laying on the floor, but I'm afraid there would be no room for my 2 cats if I tried that in bed! 

It's taking time, but I'll get the vibrato better.

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Wow Emily I’m impressed you got to first position how do you find it ? I’m stuck definitely can’t do it in first there is no anchor - I guess it’s the thumb. I think professor v has a good video where he holds the violin in guitar position. 

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@Katie M -

My focus right now is, NO GRIPPING with the thumb.  

So, I've been experimenting letting the violin 'rest' anywhere along my extended thumb - allows me to still apply pressure against it with my fingers, but helps keep the rest of my hand relaxed (if that makes any sense). 

You can always touch the curve at the base of the peg box with your thumb - if you are afraid of getting lost on the fingerboard.  I can't have my thumb glued to one spot, but when I need to get grounded, it's nice to have that spot of reference.

Noticed Nicky still had a tendency to squeeze with her thumb - especially when she was talking about her hand hurting. 

I have had bicep pain with trying 'arm' vibrato - so I can't do much, yet.  I'm hoping after I get a smooth wrist vibrato I'll be in better shape to figure out just what I can relax - to better incorporate some arm with it. 😊 

 

 

...hopefully it won't look like this. (lol)

- Emily

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Sounds good Emily ! I think I’m going to start up the vibrato exercises again. Even just a few minutes a day to get the joints going  is better than nothing! Sounds like you are making  really good progress i’m looking forward to seeing it  

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I have a quick question on this. Does the finger you are using to vibrato go in the direction of the scroll when you are pulling it back or the direction of the actual finger ? When I mean pulling it back I mean straightening it.

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Thank you !!

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Sorry, I was deliberately terse.

I am cynical about flexing the first joint of the finger. It only works in slow-mo.

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Ohh ok yes I think I actually know what you mean about the knuckle!!

I need your help again tho and this is hard to explain. So I’m trying to do a bit of vibrato in my pieces but on the notes where I don’t do vibrato ( because I’m not good enough to do on all fingers and all notes) I rest my index finger on the neck. But then when I play a note and try and do vibrato I can’t do that because obviously the vibrato won’t work. So is that  ok? Just feels a bit weird. Thank you !! 😀

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