Found this great concept for practicing scales - a bit much for me, but I'm considering trying anyway. 😁
Here's links to other threads on the forum, for great help with practice!
- 🧐 Sasha's Secrets #1: Perfect Practice Thread
- 🧐 Practice Routine Thread
- 🧐 How Often Do You Have To Practice Thread
- 🧐 Performing Practice Thread
- 🧐 An Efficient Way to Practice Routine Thread
I know I've seen more somewhere...
There always seems to be discussion about practice and recently it's become quite important for me to consider - just how much TIME to practice?
Trying to get our household somewhat back to normal while Daughter's not completely recovered from Meningitis and stuff with the Grandkids has meant not practicing as much as I'd like... and it shows! Don't even feel I'm playing as well as before my Daughter got sick.
So, it's not enough for me just to learn - even maintaining what little proficiency I've gained and remembering old tunes is a challenge!
I think we all struggle with crazy things in our lives that can make a practice schedule hard to follow. I even remember reading about an old fiddler that had to practice out in his car because his wife didn't want to hear him in the house!
According to the Professor, we all need to be efficiently practicing at least 4 to 5 hours per day, if we hope to be "a really, really, really, good violinist"! I was surprised at the emphasis on recording a play through at the end of each practice. (Virtual Sheet Music)
This video has good tips that could help you practice better - whether you have a Teacher, are taking Workshops or are teaching yourself. (Virtual Sheet Music)
You can read about Prof William Fitzpatrick here at Violinist.com -
Any of you expecting more - for less practice time?
...my realistic expectations - just lowered, for now. 🤔
I think scales really are the key to everything, they can be used for practicing shifting, bowing techniques, intonation, and all kinds of other things.
I know other people will have different ideas, but for me the basics, scales, arpeggios and the like cant be beaten.
I also like the simple jigs and reels, which are great practice and really entertaining to play, but I also like practicing more difficult pieces, like a couple of baroque ones I am doing at the moment, realĺy good for reading practice.
I was practicing two hours a day u til just recently if you read one of my other posts, but I think quality slow practice is best, without slipping into messing around which I do all to easily. At the moment I am waiting to hear back from a violinist who was performing with a shakespeare company about lessons, very good musician.
I've only averaged more than 2 hours a day for two short periods in my life (six months in 2007, about a month in 2017). For most of the time I've been playing, I've had less than an hour a day to practice. Since last year's car accident, I would guess that most members of this forum have been practicing more per day than I do per week. For me, it's always been about efficiency, as I've described in several past posts. I spend virtually no time playing through pieces (any piece I'm working on rarely gets more than one play-through in two or three weeks), and I hyper-focus on problem spots.
Just thinking there may be an optimum practice time frame - and maybe we shouldn't expect to become great at this unless we "do the time".
Now you made me go back & listen again! (lol)
...I can't find where he says that (help me out, if you have time).
I found where he was lenient on goals & said (approx), "I reduced Ms. Delay's practice schedule down to 4 hours, but if you wish to do 5 hours, just apply the percentages".
So, now I'm wondering who practices longer each day - Professional Violinists vs. Professional Fiddler?
Itzhak Perlman - he says violinists should practice no more than 5 hours per day. Says he used to start with 1 hour of scales and the next hour was etudes - now that he 'paid his dues' when younger, he only averages 3 hours per day.
Here's the article at cmuse.org -
I'll have to search more, later. 🥱
...not that I'm trying to become like Itzhak Perlman.
I do want to note that the recent trend has been for recommended amounts of practice time to decrease, now that there is more awareness of the terrifying rate of injuries among professional string players. There are now multiple studies showing that over 90% of professional string players have suffered playing-related injuries, and 70-80% have been forced to take time off due to injuries.
I do not know a single professional or high-level amateur violist older than 30 who has not had to take time off because of an injury.
I do want to note that the recent trend has been for recommended amounts of practice time to decrease...
Doesn't surprise me.
I wonder if, in addition to professional injury, there's also a problem with the countless desperate students who want to be soloists who are driven by (self- or parental) ambition into practising (really practising, or just playing?) until they bleed, without necessarily sounding any better for it.
My teacher says she practised for 5 or 6 hours a day when she was at conservatory 30 years ago.
There's no way I'm going to play 4 hours straight thru, every day!
I do think it's a great idea to try to put in more time in if you can, but it's because I see no problem in splitting time up during a day.
Three hours isn't unreasonable if I split up that time.
...but then again, I do not differentiate between playing, learning, and practicing.
I've just slacked off here recently.
those 5 hours take away from something else...if someone has family..job..etc..something would have to suffer.. on the other hand..i got the impression that this practice schedule was for a music major in college or pro muscian.
Im not every day now..lucky to get any time lately. its hit and miss.. i can get a week where ill get an hour in for maybe 3 days..then revist after a day or two with a few minutes...then a day or two with an hour or so. I cant ever recall going 5 hours and dont think i could.
I still haven't found much of anything about how long professional 'Fiddlers' practice.
If anyone knows... I'm just curious.
The problem is that most fiddlers probably don't practise formally in the way classical musicians practise. I suspect (old time) fiddlers just played stuff over and over again, partly because they had to memorise all the pieces, partly because they didn't have academics overseeing them, and partly because it was a family thing (or a local neighbourhood social thing) and they joined in with gigs and so on until one day they became good, and "practise hours", or hours of just playing, simply never got totted up.
Having an efficient schedule that suits each individual, is suggested all throughout this thread and all the threads it links to.
Thanks, Everyone for this discussion!
I'm in the process of figuring out what's right for me, so that I can move forward and don't take a step backwards. Even if I put in 3 hours a day, it would NOT be the kind of practice that is suggested. (lol)
The video I presented starts off "So, you want to be a really, really, really good violinist?..." And proceeds to show how this is taught to achieve that goal.
We all watch Violinists and Fiddlers perform on stage, in film, YouTube videos and listen to CDs.
It's easy to understand why beginners believe that is how we should all sound.
My point is, maybe don't expect to reach that level if you are not able to put in the work involved to make it happen.
I, personally, don't need to reach that level of playing to enjoy playing the violin/fiddle.
No matter beginner or seasoned player - all of us should appreciate that we are the Magicians that coax the music from our wooden (or CF) box!
I'm not sure why everyone seems to be aiming at 3 or 4 hours per day.
My own desire to do 3 is for quite specific reasons - I want to be as good on the violin as I was on the piano and oboe 40 years ago, and I want it asap before the arthritis kicks in and so that I can meet people. Others don't have my needs.
As a kid I did maybe 1 to 2 hours per day absolute max and that would be fine for most adults. An hour in the morning and an hour in the afternoon would be great for any amateur adult. Unfortunately I am addicted to reading and that takes my mornings away.