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Elyssa
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Hi everyone!! I'm newbie.. And need your opinion /suggestions /help 

 

Using a tuner I realized that I put my fingers below the Note... Not always... I think I usually hit the Note....

Any suggestions to fix this problem ?

 

I uploaded screenshots to show you what I mean 

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Yes, I use 432hz tuning..

 

Thank you ~ 🙂 

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Elyssa, 

Welcome to the forum, playing in tune is something all violinist work on all there life.

That said check out Nathan Cole's you tube video Inmplanting perfect intonenation, it's a  good resource, playing with drones, helps me a lot, also with your tuners get on the exact pitch and then stop and memorize the feel of your hand and concentrate on memorizing the pitch you want achieve. There are some phone apps games for ear training that works pretty well and there free to start with.  

The phone app Intonia records in real time with a graph like screen and shows when your low, high or in tune to the pitch you want very revealing to watch and study how your playing. I personally tend to play sharp in the upper registers, I'm working on that issue trying to correct my pitch perception up high.

 

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Everyone has this problem, esepcially in the beginning. As Mark says, it's something all violinists work on their whole life. 
I do this too, but a lot less than I used to. But I've gotten better at hearing when I'm off and correct it automatically without thinking. (In the beginning even if I heard it wasn't right, I had a hard time moving my finger on the fingerboard, was a bit glued to it lol)  I also look at the tuner less than I used to and just trust my ears. (I've played for 3.5 months) 
An example, when I am consistently low every time I play a certain note, I make sure to be mindful of it and deliberately place my finger just a bit higher every time. This will usually fix it after a few times. 

I read someone's post somewhere about one of the bigger older soloists, can't remember who it was. Menuhin or Heifetz maybe. He had been asked how he can have such perfect intonation. His answer had been that he doesn't play any more in tune than anyone else, BUT he is so incredibly fast at correcting his notes that the audience won't notice that the note initially was out of tune.

Just be mindful about it and stop and correct when you hear that it's off, so you don't train your ear to hear the wrong pitch. 
How long have you been playing?

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Bella86 said

I read someone's post somewhere about one of the bigger older soloists, can't remember who it was. Menuhin or Heifetz maybe. He had been asked how he can have such perfect intonation. His answer had been that he doesn't play any more in tune than anyone else, BUT he is so incredibly fast at correcting his notes that the audience won't notice that the note initially was out of tune.
  

Nathan Cole talks about this too, in one of his videos about shifting positions. One of his "secrets," which is a common tactic among professional string players, is to make the correction sound like it's part of his vibrato. That means going straight into vibrato while correcting. That might not be an option immediately if you haven't learned vibrato, but it just goes to show that the pros do sometimes land out of tune and the thing that sets them apart is how quickly they correct it.

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Hello and welcome to the forum.  Fiddlerman has wonderful videos on finger placement.  All fingers come in various sizes ect.  I like his tips in the videos... and he encourages us to use our ear.  But I think in the beginning many of use a tuner and practice over and over to get the right placement to get the right tone.

 

WELCOME WELCOME!

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Thank you everyone for your response!

I was worried about this! But I see is common... 🙂

I've been playing about a year... But I recognize I do not practice consistently...

So... When I play I slide my fingers to correcting the note... I think it works on slowly song... 

The problem is in the fast ones.. Because it sounds off-key

I keep practicing more often to reach a better  pitch. Thank you! And I open to more tips and suggestions!

 

PS. Sorry for my English mistakes, isn't  my native language 

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This anecdote was told by Yo Yo Ma, the famous cellist. Also applies to the violin though. 🙂

A cellist walks on a beach and picks up a bottle. A genie pops out and says, “I give you two wishes.”

The cellist says: “Wow, I’d like to have world peace.”

The genie thinks for a second and says,

“That’s too hard! What’s your second wish?”

The cellist says, “Well, I’m turning 60 and I want to play in tune.”

The genie thinks for a second and says, “What was your first wish again?”

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LOL Jim, I like that.

Elyssa, the fact that it concerns you shows that you have a good ear. Work on slow scales while focusing on finger placement and the patterns your fingers make. Try to memorize the feel and placement of your fingers when it sounds good.

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Fiddlerman said
LOL Jim, I like that.
Elyssa, the fact that it concerns you shows that you have a good ear. Work on slow scales while focusing on finger placement and the patterns your fingers make. Try to memorize the feel and placement of your fingers when it sounds good.  

Thank you very much Mr. Fiddlerman! 
and thank you to you all for the facts you share

I'm actually wonrking in that and I really improve my sound! I do what Mr. Fiddlerman says and Listening music every day in 432hz it hepls me a lot too!

 

Blessings

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Thanks Elyssa. 🙂

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I’d like to add myself to this list of constantly working on fingering and intonation!

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