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Sevcik in English
Source of Sevcik material translated into English
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Peter
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Realising I must use some good standard exercises to progress my technique, I've looked at the Sevcik material in @Fiddlerman's files area. These studies come highly recommended, but I am a lazy English speaking person whose command of German extends to buying a coffee (nervously).

Has anyone an English translation of the introductory notes in Sevcik's "School for Beginners" (op.6, part I)? Specifically, that material on pp. 2 & 4.

I've spent three months hacking-out simple tunes on my electric fiddle and old violin, and now I should like to knuckle-down and get to work.

Peter

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Google it - there are usually various free pdfs online somewhere - the copyright expired long ago on most of them. Download as many as you can. (my favourite Kreutzer is a Polish/English edition that I downloaded from a website that doesn't exist any more, so I'm glad of that one).

Is this the right place to say, don't bother with Sevcik? He does tend to rely on endless mathematical combinations and permutations with no musical value. Schradiek, although he seems superficially very similar to Sevcik, is a lot more musical, I think. After him, Wohlfahrt may be easiest.

Recently I've been working from compendia of all these things (O'Leary and Whistler) and finding that I enjoy Sitt, Wohlfahrt, Mazas and Kreutzer.

Also I have to say, don't underestimate the value of scales. Not just for fingering, but played very slow for intonation practice.

@Fiddlerman , would you like the three volumes of Sitt that are missing from your page? Can I email them to you?

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Thanks, @Gordon Shumway for the pointers.

I've taken what I could find of Kreutzer, Wohlfahrt and Schradiek. On first inspection they offer the same pedagogy as Sevcik; no doubt the differences will become apparent once I'm more familiar with it all. For what it's worth, it was all found on IMSLP. This is a fantastic resource for older publications, but unless you know what you're looking for, it's somewhat like drinking from a fire-hose.

I shall probably print and begin Wohlfahrt op.38 first, to consolidate myself.

Peter

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Gordon Shumway said
@Fiddlerman , would you like the three volumes of Sitt that are missing from your page? Can I email them to you?

Yes please. I'll post them. I have the etudes but I've never scanned them in.

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.@Gordon Shumway , .@Fiddlerman ,

Would you please, if you have the time and opportunity, review the following (I expect you're already acquainted):

https://imslp.org/wiki/The_Vio....._Berthold)

I find it begins the tuition at an earlier and gentler pace than others I have found, and the boon for English adepts is the entire text is English (no distracting / interesting translations). Tours also left us a book on the Viola, also available at IMSLP.

For what it's worth, I am more comfortable with this book than any that I've looked at, in spite of (perhaps because of) the quaint 19th century style; but I'd be obliged if you could pass your compound expert eyes over it for a view from an advanced level. I am working without a teacher, and good texts are as vital to me as good-quality YT videos.

Thank you,

Peter

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Fiddlerman said

Gordon Shumway said

@Fiddlerman , would you like the three volumes of Sitt that are missing from your page? Can I email them to you?

Yes please. I'll post them. I have the etudes but I've never scanned them in.

  

I've PM'd you, Pierre.

BTW, Schott seem recently (20 years ago?) to have  republished them in 5 attractive thin brochures (they don't really need proper covers). I got volumes 1, 2 and 5 for about $5 each, but volumes 3 and 4 are four times that price. Who knows why! Perhaps the bigger mystery is why I buy them. Well, its easier than printing them out from PDFs!

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Peter said
.@Gordon Shumway , .@Fiddlerman ,

Would you please, if you have the time and opportunity, review the following (I expect you're already acquainted):

https://imslp.org/wiki/The_Vio....._Berthold)

I find it begins the tuition at an earlier and gentler pace than others I have found, and the boon for English adepts is the entire text is English (no distracting / interesting translations). Tours also left us a book on the Viola, also available at IMSLP.

For what it's worth, I am more comfortable with this book than any that I've looked at, in spite of (perhaps because of) the quaint 19th century style; but I'd be obliged if you could pass your compound expert eyes over it for a view from an advanced level. I am working without a teacher, and good texts are as vital to me as good-quality YT videos.

Thank you,

  

Well, I'm no expert - see my résumé. I have some common sense from having had two good piano teachers in the 70s, resulting in my current violin teacher being a diploma'd (I wouldn't take anything less) violist I am happy with, apart from her schedule, lol.

Try charity shops - there's a lot of cheap sheet music there. And Galamian's book is not expensive.

But I'd say make sure you are paying enough attention to good YT videos and, in particular, defining what's a good YT video: look at every muscle, don't watch them passively like TV, just listening to what they say; and you have to filter out the ones that don't meet the grade. The ones who talk too much are a pain. Don't fall for ones that are warm and fluffy and love-bomb you with a lot of reassurance. You have to be hard on yourself and harder on them.

When you play for a teacher, they tap your right shoulder if it's too high, they tap your wrist if it's wrong - they are continually grabbing your right hand and re-shaping it. They tap your back if it's hunched. They force you to do the boring things you never do at home - like play with bow only, no left hand fingers. If you can't get this from a video, then think seriously about a teacher, a critical one.

 

As to your weblink, I've seen worse, but I'm having real difficulty with Windows and Adobe and AVG conflicting, so I can't read it very well, even locally.

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.@Gordon Shumway -

Thank you. I had made the foolish assumption that violin tutors would be expensive; I based this on how much my children have paid for their driving instruction. So, I just searched online for 'violin teachers in Worthing,' and there are four within three miles, one of which appears to suit my needs. This lady asks for £14- for 30 minutes, and I'm now wondering if the memsahib will agree to me taking instruction on the violin. I have leverage (wife is a mature student of ceramics: costly!).

I must learn to research properly, and in a timely manner (I may have left this a little late).

Peter

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@Peter My teacher, a friend, charges me £30 an hour mates' rates, and she feeds me, lol!

I average a lesson a month with her. I have heard that a lesson a month is adequate for most adults, as their learning rate is slower than kids, but I hope (i.e. need) to learn faster than I did when I was a kid, lol! I'd like a lesson every three weeks, but there are always unexpected cancellations. See if you can find a teacher locally via ESTA maybe, unless you find you've already hit upon a good one.

I like the peace and quiet of Worthing - I played bridge there twice a year in the Beach Hotel (now the Beach Residences) for nearly 10 years. In those days the place had four second-hand bookshops. Now you're down to just Badgers. I hope they are doing well!

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Hi all,

I have spent a little time working on this, as has .@bob and between us we have made English translations of the text of the first four pages. I have attached a PDF of the work, and it comprises two replacement pages (pp. 1 - 4) of Sevcik op.62 / 1; "Sevcik School For Beginners". Simply print the stock PDF from the Fiddlerman files, and replace the appropriate sheets.

Perhaps .@Fiddlerman may wish to upload this amendment into the files area.

Me, I'm going to enjoy my new tuition text; and I'm seriously considering approaching a tutor for one-to-one instruction, too.

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