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Vibrato - the annoying "Shake". PLEASE HELP!
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Demoiselle
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This might not help anybody, but maybe somebody.

I consider a kind of liberality useful which just lets it go. In the last days I've been telling myself, "Just be funny," when it comes to solo in my Gavottes. I have two Gavottes in my program which I found difficult in the beginning. Having more routine on my tenor recorder, I found those solos quite funny though. That's exactly what I adapted for my violin improvisation: The gavottes are a bit quick, but that's no reason to rush! That's the lesson I've learned over the last days: Doing funny repetitions of 2-note phrases, funny trills and making it melodically a little amusing. Suddenly I like my violin gavotte solos. December concert, here I come—I'm not afraid anymore....

My Bach gavotte (3rd Suite) ends with a very accentuated, short F major chord—"ram-bam!" In the last months I had said to myself, "Don't try to join in on violin, you will never be on point!" Well, if I anxiously try to be on point, it sounds and looks ridiculously. But if I do it self-confident and quite a bit funny, it's very interesting!! I cannot see my fingers on the spinet, I can't be on point. So what? I liberally yank it out of the cuff. Of course I do the last notes and I like it that way. This certainly is not the philosophy of an orchestra musician, because in an orchestra you always have to be on point. But I don't want to be an orchestra violin.

The first thing violin beginners should ask themselves is, "What is my goal, my personal dream?" Playing in an amateur orchestra, or rather be a soloist? For the orchestra dream it's probably better to have a teacher. Musical directors don't like people with too individual tone and phrasing. Years ago I made  that experience in a church trombone choir. My ideas was, I'm an experienced jazz trumpeter and it wouldn't be a big deal to join in just by the way. Well, the leader told me to change my sound. I never came back. They don't understand that, but I don't have time to study being a church musician. And of course, my personal sound was an investment over many years! Now the seem to be a bit mad at me. They are reformists and maybe consider it my catholic laziness. But that's their problem. We should not anxiously listen to that kind of talk. That's what I meant before.

My violin is a 3/4 violin, made for right-handed players, though I play it left-handed. As I felt she was the best in the shop of all 3/4 violins I tried and the luthier agreed. I prefer Obligato strings together with Eudoxa E string. Self-made bow, weight: 24 g / 0.85 oz

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How about the attitude naughty? There are so many neurotic ideas in our western societies, which make us afraid and prevent us from relaxing. If I tell the world, "I play a naughty violin," and boldly insist on it, nothing can happen to me. I'm not scared, I can relax and so I learn to play naturally. Only natural is beautiful.

Yes, I definitely want a naughty vibrato. Never prissy! No, that's terrible. I don't want to play a well-behaved violin. Art should never have the attitude of perfect-behaved children!!

By the way, at times I heard professional violin players play false notes. If I listen carefully I hear it now and then. But it doesn't sound badly though. It depends on how you do it. Which of course is no excuse to not train precise fingering on the fingerboard.

My violin is a 3/4 violin, made for right-handed players, though I play it left-handed. As I felt she was the best in the shop of all 3/4 violins I tried and the luthier agreed. I prefer Obligato strings together with Eudoxa E string. Self-made bow, weight: 24 g / 0.85 oz

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Not sure what you are trying to say but I think, you shoot for the stars and you may reach the moon. 😉

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

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Moon is pretty good result. 😉

My violin is a 3/4 violin, made for right-handed players, though I play it left-handed. As I felt she was the best in the shop of all 3/4 violins I tried and the luthier agreed. I prefer Obligato strings together with Eudoxa E string. Self-made bow, weight: 24 g / 0.85 oz

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Demoiselle said
Moon is pretty good result. 😉  

   Yup.   I'd be pretty happy with that (as a temporary, or intermediate goal !   It means there's always more to aim for....)  

   Per ardua ad astra probably applies to our learning path with violin/fiddle as well.....

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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Shooting for the stars anyway was never my philosophy. The way is my goal. Presently I'm working towards that concert in December, which in a way is interrupting my usual method, not aiming at any concrete goal. Maybe this is partly even slowing down my progress? At least in certain areas. My way is mainly driven by comparing my results to professional recordings of violin sonatas. Things I've just recorded via handy recorders may satisfy me for a couple hours. Then I compare it to professional recordings and hear where I've missed that style, it's quality and sound. This will always drive me ahead. Steady improvement is what I shoot for, wherever I finally may end up.

My violin is a 3/4 violin, made for right-handed players, though I play it left-handed. As I felt she was the best in the shop of all 3/4 violins I tried and the luthier agreed. I prefer Obligato strings together with Eudoxa E string. Self-made bow, weight: 24 g / 0.85 oz

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BillyG said

   Yup.   I'd be pretty happy with that (as a temporary, or intermediate goal !   It means there's always more to aim for....)  

   Per ardua ad astra probably applies to our learning path with violin/fiddle as well.....  

At present I'm aiming at baroque music, having a couple folk standards in my program as well. But it could just happen that I finally end up in a folk band. Who knows? If the people are nice and they even bring on gigs (which is an area where I'm fairly stupid)....

My violin is a 3/4 violin, made for right-handed players, though I play it left-handed. As I felt she was the best in the shop of all 3/4 violins I tried and the luthier agreed. I prefer Obligato strings together with Eudoxa E string. Self-made bow, weight: 24 g / 0.85 oz

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