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@GregW Jerky and abrupt was not meant in a negative way, 😁. In the videos I watch, most of the time, it seems like fiddlers are moving the bow more, more string crossing. Not as fluent as the classical/pop? Again, not all the time for either form, just for me, based in the videos I have watched, that is what I noticed. I just noticed a difference in bowing.
i kniw you didnt...and i know what you were saying.. i think it depends on the fiddler/style of fiddle tune/ the type of tune... I think it helps to put slurs in the right places..for example...this tune just flows to me and he to me is a very smooth player maybe more than most. alot of whats considered fiddle music is in 4/4 but as someone said (specifically about irish reels which this tune isnt) should really be 8/8 since its mostly eighth notes. i think its how someone arranges their playing so that they still have that strong beat on 1 & 3 but it doesnt feel like its just up/down/up/down bowing all the way through that makes me like a particular persons playing...and what i hope to get better at.
i know exactly what your saying.. the tunes as notes are simple...staying true to a sound and feel that is close to what the tune is IS the difficult part for me. BUT, thats what makes it enjoyable to me. the catch is you sorta have to like fiddle music i think. if you dont its hard to listen to it enough to KNOW what to shoot for..that said its totally fine to play it how you want and feel to me. slow it down speed it up whatever.. thats why they call it fiddlin'
heres another one played by Matt but a little different style i feel.
I DONT think what he is doing is very easy. i know i cant play and sound "old timey" like that. i could probably print off the music and play the notes but it wouldnt sound right even if my intonation was perfect and i was playing the notes exactly when they were supposed to be played and with perfect bow speed and pressure. so dont feel bad just keep at it. listen alot and try and pick one version of the tune youre working on..sometimes juping to other recordings of same tume by different players confuses things. youre right its all in the bow
In a nutshell...
The unceasing mantra of my violin teachers growing up:
”Use more bow!”
I finally got that down.
Now, learning the fiddle, the teacher’s mantra:
”Use less bow!”
@Mouse, only because you raised the question: on guitar it’s called a “hammer on.”
Please don’t “hammer down” the guitar. You might break it. 🎸🔨 🙂
Are you sure that they’re doing hammer ons in the fiddle tune and not slides?
It always depends a lot on what you're playing. Consider this piece, by a composer who was heavily influenced by fiddle music:
You'll notice that, in the fast theme, the first violins are hardly using any bow except on a handful of accented notes, and they're doing plenty of string crossing. It doesn't sound exactly like fiddlers (after all, it's fiddle-influenced classical) but the bowing technique definitely moves toward what @Mouse is describing as fiddle bowing.
”Use more bow!”
”Use less bow!”
Not just fiddle - classical too. I started off on the Corelli sarabande and had to learn to use more bow and bow pressure. Then when you get to some serious fast, loud Vivaldi, you have to use a lot less bow.
The OP mentions POP, not just fiddle. Classical musicians have to realise that pop music can have the main beat (i.e. down bow) in different places. I was at a gig a few years ago where there was a classical quintet who did a piece of pop music, but they emphasised the first and third beats of every bar when they should have been emphasising the second and fourth! (the off-beats). You have to have a feel for it, and classical musicians often lack that feel.