Welcome to our forum. A Message To Our New and Prospective Members . Check out our Forum Rules. Lets keep this forum an enjoyable place to visit.

A A A
Avatar
Please consider registering
guest
sp_LogInOut Log Insp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
sp_Feed Topic RSSsp_TopicIcon
Helpful Tips - Start Learning to Play Backup For Fiddle Tunes
Feeling free to join in everywhere!
Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 (8 votes) 
Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
September 11, 2021 - 3:35 pm
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 5000
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

It's taken me a little bit to get this understood, because I'm more a 'melody' person - even though I love harmonized music. 

So, gathered these videos together - I hope will help other new Fiddlers, too.

If you want to accompany or backup a singer or another Fiddler, you don't want to be playing the same thing they are! 

You do need to figure out what key to play in, so you can at least come up with a few quick chords and chord progressions. 

♥ This is where the CIRCLE OF FIFTHS can help!

Here's a GREAT video - simple & straight forward - important to memorize some of this. 

"How To" The Circle Of Fifths Explained - Creative Violin

For more advanced. 

Circle of Fifths Progression - in all 7 modes! - Andrey Stolyarov

Circle of Fifths Exercise - FiddleJaminstitute

♥ Chord Basics. 

Fiddle Chord Basics - FiddleJaminstitute

♥ Now, find simple chords to play on the Fiddle (short videos). 

Beginning Fiddle Backup, 1, 4, 5 chords - Bluegrass with Friends

Find the 1, 4, 5 chords QUICKLY on the fiddle - WireWood Station/Michelle Edwards

2 note chord shapes for the fiddle - Chris Haigh/The Fiddle Channel

♥ By EAR! 

Ear Trick: Find chord types in 2 steps - FiddleJaminstitute

♥ Want to do more? 

Fiddle Tips from Darol Anger: Playing Backup - ArtistWorks

Fiddle Backup Tips - Dave Hunt

FiddleHed Backup Lessons

♥ The Nashville Number System! 

The Nashville Number System For Fiddle - Megan Lynch Chowning

♥ Now, get specific! 

Key of A - Bluegrass Fiddle Theory Chords & Licks - Charlie Walden

All Kinds of Licks with Chris Haigh - The Fiddle Channel

These are all helpful in general, but there are backup tutorials for specific tunes on YouTube that you can search. 😊 

Pretty soon we'll ALL be Jammin'! 

 

Love to know if others have tips not mentioned in the above videos! 

...I better git to memorizing.

- Emily

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
September 13, 2021 - 11:43 am
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 5000
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

For members, like me, new to playing the violin, with little other musical instrument background, I think I should've mentioned more about chords, first. (lol)

Up until recently, I have only thought of 'intervals' as a 'half or whole step', between notes on the violin. 

When it comes to chords, larger intervals are very important and have important features that can effect your choices for playing backup or improv. 

These intervals have names, e.g., "Dominant 7th", "Major 3rd", "Perfect 5th", etc... 

If you need help understanding the relationship of intervals and chords, there's a few short lessons at popgrammar.com, that I found can really help!  Maybe start with this one: 

Intervals Pertaining to Chords

 

I have no guitar background and started violin with very little understanding of why and how chords can be so effective - other than I was told to just "play these chords" in my limited piano lessons. 

...still working on knowing all this better. 😊

- Emily

Avatar
Bob
Members

Regulars
September 13, 2021 - 2:00 pm
Member Since: July 13, 2017
Forum Posts: 355
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Emily,

I used to think I was a Google wiz kid, until I see the variety of very informative links you've been passing along. 

Keep it up, these links/hints are very helpful.

Thank you

Bob in Lone Oak, Texas

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
September 13, 2021 - 2:25 pm
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 5000
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@Bob -

Okay, but I can only take things seriously for so long, or I'll get lost down another rabbit hole. (lol) 

Thanks, I really do appreciate someone else is reading this stuff. 😊

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
October 4, 2021 - 4:56 pm
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 5000
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@Ripton - you might enjoy this!

I've found another CRITTER tune - something to Crow about! 

 

FiddleHed has a wonderful Tutorial on Backup Chords for the "Blackest Crow"! 

Blackest Crow - Tutorial, playing chord backup

 

https://www.designbolts.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Crow-RIP-Pumpkin-Carving-Design.jpg

 

- Emily

Avatar
Ripton
Vermont, Massachusetts or somewhere in between
Members

Regulars
October 8, 2021 - 8:35 pm
Member Since: November 2, 2014
Forum Posts: 546
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

ELCBK said
@Ripton - you might enjoy this!

I've found another CRITTER tune -

 

- Emily

  

Thanks, looks awesome

Avatar
JohnG
Greater Chicagoland
Members

Regulars
October 8, 2021 - 9:35 pm
Member Since: April 16, 2021
Forum Posts: 1388
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online

@ELCBK - I don't know about these "wave-length" linkages. I got my viola back from the luthier today, and thought I might find a new song to try out. I have the Mostly Celtic Tunebook from geocities dot com/mostlyceltic, and I find a critter tune, so I translated the page into pdf, moved into MuseScore, cleaned it up, changed to alto clef, and transpose to key of G. That tune is "The Blackest Crow", arranged by Dave Barton in 2007.

Small world!

The old curmudgeon!

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
October 9, 2021 - 8:42 pm
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 5000
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@JohnG -

 

Ooo, Ooo - maybe it's ESP! 

...or the Witching hour!  (lol)

- Emily

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
October 17, 2021 - 9:53 am
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 5000
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
Anyone wanting to make an interesting/unique backing track? 

You don't even need a musical instrument to try something like this!  (JasonYangViolin)

Electric Violin and Beatbox: Moonlight Grenade

 

What do you do when you have to play backup for a different kind of 'Performing Artist'?  (JasonYangViolin) 

Mike Song & Jason Yang Perform at InvASIAN - "Frolicking Symphony"

 

 

...some really interesting stuff at Jason Yang's YouTube Channel! 

- Emily

Avatar
ABitRusty
Members

Regulars
October 18, 2021 - 10:47 am
Member Since: February 10, 2019
Forum Posts: 2662
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
10sp_Permalink sp_Print
5

 Really like the approach of fiddle backup here.  There is a small lead section the fiddler plays but the backup seems to be a good example of less is more..not that its simple, but seems like the long sustained notes are just what this was calling for.

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
October 18, 2021 - 1:49 pm
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 5000
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
11sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

@ABitRusty -

Yes, the fiddle backing was really nice - very subtle! 

LOVE the rest of the Album, too!  The interplay between banjo, mandolin, fiddle, etc... different for each tune.  HAD to play along with "Star of County Down" - very nice in Bm & having a 'C' string allows me to play lower, too. 😊 

 

 

...everything's in a MINOR key - makes me soooo happy! 

GREAT FIND for backup ideas - THANX! 

- Emily

Avatar
ABitRusty
Members

Regulars
October 18, 2021 - 7:31 pm
Member Since: February 10, 2019
Forum Posts: 2662
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
12sp_Permalink sp_Print
5

This is a bit more of that bluegrass type ballad backing i guess..probably nothing unexpected when you think of the genere but I think it shows how a riff I guess youd call it can be used to bridge vocals.  i really wouldnt call it a fill. Thats Not from experience using fills but just from what Ive heard them called.  also like the long sustained double stops.  like i said nothing probably unexpected but a really good song to maybe hear them. 

I think its as important to listen to the music you want to play as it is to watch a tutorial. That said, I Really like this as something to try.

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
October 18, 2021 - 7:45 pm
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 5000
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
13sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

@ABitRusty -

Great riff/motif - sounds very familiar. 

 

 

...I like to think of the parts of Irish & Scottish tunes as 'riffs'. 

- Emily

Avatar
ABitRusty
Members

Regulars
October 18, 2021 - 8:17 pm
Member Since: February 10, 2019
Forum Posts: 2662
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
14sp_Permalink sp_Print
5

ELCBK said
@ABitRusty -

Great riff/motif - sounds very familiar. 

 

 

...I like to think of the parts of Irish & Scottish tunes as 'riffs'. 

- Emily

  

yes Irish music has repeating riffs/motiffs inside of tunes.  the more you play the more you recognize that and also recognize similar runs within other tunes.   weve talked about that in other topics..Without listening to alot of tunes its more difficult to recognize that though.  Another reason to immerse in the style you want to become good at wouldnt you say?  Havent you found that its easier to find the notes of a tune when youve been listening to someome else play it alot?  I think backing could work the same way.   Pick a song you like and want to play and listen alot when you cant practice...the car, working, whatever... then when you have the instrument...listen again but with a more techincal mind..like say listen and think..whats going on during this phrase.  then try and mimic it.  At first it may be just trying to find the key...then the notes..then the phrasing and such. but youll have the song/tune internalized and youll be hearing it easier in your head as you try and play it.

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
March 29, 2022 - 11:41 pm
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 5000
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I have to quit hiding threads - took me foreeeever to find this. 

Anyway, thought this "Fisher's Hornpipe EZ BackUp Tutorial" worth checking out (from FiddleJaminstitute) talks about the importance of memorizing the arpeggios of the chords... and let your bowing give them character! 

@Ripton -

This EZ Backup tutorial is good for many tunes that only use a few chords, so might be helpful to you. 

 

 

Fisher's Hornpipe Tutorial - Chris Haigh

 

https://www.mandoisland.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/fiddle-01.jpg

 

- Emily

Avatar
LinDee
Members
April 2, 2022 - 2:17 am
Member Since: March 8, 2022
Forum Posts: 51
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
16sp_Permalink sp_Print
5

@ELBCK - thank you for this topic - some absolutely great links!  As I want to be able to play bluegrass (among other things) the need to be able to play 'back-up' and accompaniment (?) is imperative.  First, I've always heard of the circle of 5ths, but that is the first time I have heard it explained clearly.  Then, I have checked out some of the links for chording on the fiddle and they are really helpful (and - they lead to other great videos!) 

Thanks again !

LinDee  

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
April 2, 2022 - 9:47 pm
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 5000
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@LinDee -

Really glad you are getting something out of these! 

It's all part of my fiddle-learning adventure, too. 

 

 

...I just keep trying to drag everyone along for the ride! 😁 

- Emily

Forum Timezone: America/New_York
Most Users Ever Online: 696
Currently Online: JohnG
Guest(s) 65
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Members Birthdays
sp_BirthdayIcon
Today DeeLight41
Upcoming Killerkhezu, Ferret, visionsalchemy, HDuaneaz, Preanix, laserbrainz, Writer, chendricks, BillyG, rsmith6322, EricBluegrassFiddle, ACDSherlockian, Dan, jose6ph, Kody, music_master
Top Posters:
ELCBK: 5000
Mad_Wed: 2849
Barry: 2680
ABitRusty: 2662
Fiddlestix: 2647
Oliver: 2439
DanielB: 2379
Gordon Shumway: 2099
damfino: 2040
Kevin M.: 1973
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 3
Members: 31104
Moderators: 0
Admins: 7
Forum Stats:
Groups: 16
Forums: 79
Topics: 9900
Posts: 124598
Newest Members:
Sagelucy
Administrators: Fiddlerman: 16062, KindaScratchy: 1760, coolpinkone: 4180, BillyG: 3741, MrsFiddlerman: 2, Jimmie Bjorling: 0, Mouse: 4165