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I recently read “A Book,” the autobiography of Desi Arnaz.  In it, he details having a swarm of bees on his ranch on day.  The grounds keeper instructed Mr. Arnaz to get his conga drum and a chair, and told him to slowly beat the drum when he went to get a wooden hive from a neighbor.

Once he started beating the drum as instructed, the hive began to settle on both him and the drum and remained there until the grounds keeper returned.

My reasoning is that the queen, being larger, had a lower wing beat frequency and the workers honed in on that while moving.  Any other suggestions?

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Probably something like that and the frequency, sound waves, or whatever. It might be the sound wave vibration they feel? I read where they really don’t hear, they feel sound waves.

Also, maybe the bee guy wanted a free concert! 

Me? I would sell the house! I am scared to death of bees, spiders, critter, etc. 

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@Irv  hello! ...well this one has been an interesting search.  After reading your post I went looking for a couple of beekeepers here at work to ask what they knew but theyd left for the day.  I found this instead.  

 

one of the beekeepers I spoke of gave me a couple of books on the subject a while back after a conversation.  They Had alot about how to start..queens workers drones..."drones"..on that subject..how is the palm tree flying cutter coming along?  any updates?  

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Hello @GregW and others.  Thank you for finding that video.  It was interesting.

Regarding the idea of trimming palm trees with a drone.  I did get the drone recommended by you.  Have not used it yet.

I came upon a video series by Tim Duerinck regarding making a carbon fiber cello, which fascinated me, and we have started an email conversation.  I would like to experiment with fractional sized sabatier (amoeba) shaped viola and wondered if the shape could be expanded to fractional sized cello.  I have similar interest, to a lesser degree, on doing the same with the Tetris viola.  If I cannot purchase one, I can try to make them.

At least initially, due to expense, I think I am going to substitute linen and burlap cloth for carbon fiber in the mould, getting required strength by the use of spruce and maple wood as a core material.  This should give the instruments a warmer sound (check out a video of a blackbird guitar or ukulele).

I also want to try to integrate a moulded bass bar into the top plate, spanning the bridge area with a queen post truss (likely using a carbon fiber rod on the interior side of the top plate).  

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@Irv "...Have not used it yet..."  I totally understand that.  on the beekeeping thing Ill check in here with the resident expert and let you know if he has any info on the subject you posted about.  He is passionate about the subject.  He usually has interesting bee tales when time allows.

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Absolutely nothing meaningful to add to this thread, other than this recent coverage on the BBC of the special sounds queen-bees make at certain times...  

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/53061948

Well, I thought it was cool !

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@BillyG and others.  Also slightly off topic but interesting.  Bees can be quickly trained to detect explosive mines by positioning flowers by explosive materials.  

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Irv said
@BillyG and others.  Also slightly off topic but interesting.  Bees can be quickly trained to detect explosive mines by positioning flowers by explosive materials.  

  

I should BEEhave but that one setup this rather nicely....

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Alas, another one of my threads here has lapsed into comedy.  But at least I have the prospect of an answer first.  

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.         —Frank Zappa

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@Irv  the March 2016 issue of Bee Culture magazine has a 2 or 3 page article starting on page 23 titled "Sound Generation and Hearing" written by professor of entomology Clarence Collision from Mississippi State University.  There are several refrences listed for the article.  From what I read bees detect in the low hundreds and below frequencies by a combination of antenna and legs (johnston and subgenual) organs.

my primary bee source is tele-working still.  However, another beekeeper said he hasnt heard of anything about beating drums or pots or pans to attract swarms.  basically they just reach up and rake them (bees) off.  its All  about finding the queen and all is phermone based.  the workers will flap wings to spread that.  maybe thats where the drum beating came from.  dunno..  best I can do.  sorry for my earlier lapse in comediac judgment.  hope that helps your research.

cheers!

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@GregW .  The conga drum would be rich in sub 100 hz. frequency.  

Years ago I read “bumble bee economics,” and I really enjoyed it.  It takes multiple trips to the moon travel distance to make a pound of honey.  A hive can cope with about two weeks of overcast days (the sun is important for bee navigation).  Beyond that, the workers venture blind out of the hive because their need is so great.  

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@Irv  I get the impression that their actions are more scent based but I dont keep any.   it sounds and looks rewarding though.

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@GregW and others.  I am very much attracted to the ideas of Paul Stamets as it relates to all things involving mushrooms.  He has a preparation which provides resistance to bees from various disease vectors.  You might want to tell your bee keeping friends about him.  

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@Irv  how long have you been using this on your bee's?  have you noticed any response in your hives?

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@GregW .  I have no hives, which is perhaps unusual since I have absolutely no fear of them, and they seem to have no fear of me.  Perhaps I did in a previous life or something.  

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Don't wear red or black around they. When I was googling about the conga drums, I found in a number of places that the get aggravated with reds and blues. How can red irritate anyone or anything. My favorite color.

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