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Bonne et Mauvaise position
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I found this picture by accident and am blowed if I can see any significant difference!

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What What What EmoticonsThat's crazy! 

I can see they might be trying to show in the "Mauvaise" position the cello slightly more upright - showing a slight difference, akin to tilting a bow(?). 

I can't really see enough difference to call it a separate position, either.

Can't wait to hear what all the cellists here think!

Morning Coffee Cup Smiley- Emily

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I don't speak French so I have no idea what there is written in this text... Probably something about a good and a bad posture.
These pictures are not so good than they could be, but in the picture in the right he maybe has his left elbow too low and I think that his right wrist is also in a little bit odd position.

That elbow is a little bit tricky, because it really depends on which string you are playing...

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I would say it is showing good position vs bad position. Bonne - good, Mauvaise - bad.

As Ilona said, the photo on the right has bad position: (right) bowing arm elbow is too low, The cello on the right appears to be angled too much, facing the right knee too much. Would be hard to bow that C string. It also looks like it is too vertical. Maybe after you can play you can “fiddle” with the positioning of the cello, but it is angled too much and too vertical for learning. It is too far forward also. Notice the bowing arm is stretched out and the wrist appears stiff, or even locked. That may be tbe result of its being too vertical and angled. 

The photo is really bad, but that is what it looks like to me. The right, Mauvaise, the guy looks so stiff and tense, and I believe it is due to what I mentioned above and what Ilona said.

Viola Time! 

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cid said

The cello on the right appears to be angled too much, facing the right knee too much.

Yes, I was thinking that too, but didn’t know how to say it. 🤔

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Correction:

Cid said: As Ilona said, the photo on the right has bad position: (right) bowing arm elbow is too low,

It should be the cellist on the right, his left hand, fingering the cello, has the elbow too  low. It is just slight, but does show a lazy left hand/arm hold.

The bowing hand and arm are not correct, and I believe that has to do with the aforementioned angle of the cello. 

I think I got everything else correct as to what I wanted to say in my reply above. Bad day, was not thinking straight when I did the first reply. I think if you put the two replies together, you will get what Ilona and I are talking about. I think all the arm and elbow issues are caused by the position/angle of the cello.

Viola Time! 

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From Google Translator (Pretty much what you all have been saying)

For Bonne (Good) Position:

The left hand placed near the nut, the first phalanx of the thumb resting under the neck: the fingers should be slightly rounded with the elbow not too high or too far from the rib. The bow must be held close to the rear sight, the stick slightly inclined towards the fingerboard: the wrist slightly rounded: all movements must be made with the forearm.

For Mauvaise (Bad) Position:

We see that all movements are hampered: the fingers appear to be tight on the key, the left elbow is too low, the right wrist is not rounded, but in a way arches: there cannot be, with this position, freedom of movement.

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Wow! 

I can see the small difference in elbow height, but think I'm more confused looking at the picture now that I know the translation!  My eyes are terrible but I enlarged the picture and it looks to me like they are not even playing on the same string. 

I wonder how many people gave up trying to learn to play the cello because they had to use that book...  I remember the book I tried to learn to play the banjo from when I was younger, looked similar/similar time period - let's just say I'm not on a banjo forum.

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