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Try this link...https://share.icloud.com/photo.....WdG2AfbtaQ

  

It’s an iCloud link instead of uploading it like I did before

  

Perfect..... @IssacBows 

Still no idea why it doesn't play here (I mean the original post here, in the forum), or following a download.... weird...

  

Ye I guess I’ll post links from now on... thanks for all the work on the original video lol...

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@IssacBows -

I FINALLY got the video!  Didn't have any trouble viewing it from that last link you gave.

Okay!  You might be able to help your bowing by adjusting your hair tension a little for now.  I still have to make sure I keep my fingers lower on the frog so it's easier to relax/curve my pinky - for better control (maybe try it). 

If you are referring to the fingerboard tapes, I didn't start with any because I wanted to force my ear to find the notes.  You are doing so well right now I that I hesitate to say you should change anything - see what the other have to say on this.

You really are doing much better than I think most people do after only 3 weeks.  I almost wonder if you have perfect pitch!

Hooah!  Keep up all that work!

It Is Halloween Smiley

 

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Btw, you are doing so well - maybe think about starting to learn vibrato.  You'll use your fingers independently for vibrato - but you asked about leaving fingers (not in use) on a string.  I think (especially for right now) leave at least 1 finger - will help you keep your orientation on the fingerboard.

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OK - a FINAL bit of information - 

The iCloud played perfectly as I mentioned.  I took the liberty of downloading that file as well - if we look again at the properties (now of BOTH files)

ib-both-files-props-1.JPGImage Enlarger

we'll notice that the "problem one" on the right - has no specific frame width, rate or height - although - it "suggests" video is present.

Aye, something must have happened during processing !

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Heard and watched through your link, have to say that’s incredible for three weeks, well done. Your intonation is really good for such a short space of time. You worry about bow bouncing I wouldn’t be to concerned just yet, you will find that it will gradually improve, you probably know the bowing exercises, for improving technique already, just practice those, Like I said very impressed.

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@IssacBows -

I FINALLY got the video!  Didn't have any trouble viewing it from that last link you gave.

Okay!  You might be able to help your bowing by adjusting your hair tension a little for now.  I still have to make sure I keep my fingers lower on the frog so it's easier to relax/curve my pinky - for better control (maybe try it). 

If you are referring to the fingerboard tapes, I didn't start with any because I wanted to force my ear to find the notes.  You are doing so well right now I that I hesitate to say you should change anything - see what the other have to say on this.

You really are doing much better than I think most people do after only 3 weeks.  I almost wonder if you have perfect pitch!

Hooah!  Keep up all that work!

 

It Is Halloween Smiley

- Emily 

Btw, you are doing so well - maybe think about starting to learn vibrato.  You'll use your fingers independently, but a finger left on a string will help you keep your orientation on the fingerboard.

  

Ok one thing at a time lol I try to make sure my pinky’s curbed on top so I can adjust the pressure on the bow but obviously lots of room for improvement.  My bow hold feels a little more comfortable every day. I honestly don’t have perfect pitch bc I can’t hear a note and say what it is and I’m afraid if I take the tape off I’ll get used to playing off key especially when I move out of the 2-3 keys on used to playing in...

Also don’t think I’m gonna start trying vibrato yet probably wait at least a month and I’m a little overwhelmed bc watched a few videos on vibrato and everyone talks about it differently...

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Heard and watched through your link, have to say that’s incredible for three weeks, well done. Your intonation is really good for such a short space of time. You worry about bow bouncing I wouldn’t be to concerned just yet, you will find that it will gradually improve, you probably know the bowing exercises, for improving technique already, just practice those, Like I said very impressed.

  

Thanks stringy means a lot

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OK - a FINAL bit of information - 

The iCloud played perfectly as I mentioned.  I took the liberty of downloading that file as well - if we look again at the properties (now of BOTH files)

ib-both-files-props-1.JPGImage Enlarger

we'll notice that the "problem one" on the right - has no specific frame width, rate or height - although - it "suggests" video is present.

Aye, something must have happened during processing !

  

Really cool Billy thanks for figuring it out..

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Nice job IssacBows!  You intonation is really good.  Bouncy-Bow is a thing that can take some time.  It’s good to practice slow, full bow strokes on open strings to get a feel for the bow—it just takes some time.

As for the computer file thing--Original file upload is good.  It is a .mov file (recorded on apple device).  I can see original posted video on my Ipad, but not my Windows desktop computer nor my android phone. 

If you are viewing the website on something other than an apple device, you may not be able to play video because these can’t play  .mov files (by default).  You may be able to view video on the icloud link, though.

If you want to upload video directly to Forum, you should convert it to something like MP4 (this is what Fiddlerman has us do with group projects) that can be viewed by all devices.  There are free converters you can download online.  Here’s one that I’ve used (scroll down to “Free MOV to MP4 Converter).

https://freeconverting.com/dow.....loads.html

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Nice job IssacBows!  You intonation is really good.  Bouncy-Bow is a thing that can take some time.  It’s good to practice slow, full bow strokes on open strings to get a feel for the bow—it just takes some time.

As for the computer file thing--Original file upload is good.  It is a .mov file (recorded on apple device).  I can see original posted video on my Ipad, but not my Windows desktop computer nor my android phone. 

If you are viewing the website on something other than an apple device, you may not be able to play video because these can’t play  .mov files (by default).  You may be able to view video on the icloud link, though.

If you want to upload video directly to Forum, you should convert it to something like MP4 (this is what Fiddlerman has us do with group projects) that can be viewed by all devices.  There are free converters you can download online.  Here’s one that I’ve used (scroll down to “Free MOV to MP4 Converter).

https://freeconverting.com/dow.....loads.html

  Cool thanks Sharon

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Interesting, and thanks for the checks there @SharonC - that's helpful.

Thanks !

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If you want advice from me for what it’s worth, don’t start trying vibrato yet, trust me you are better concentrating on the basics, As for the tapes I never used them, I think it can make you robotic, but this is only my opinion and not worth much. If you need to leave the tapes on as a guide try to listen to the notes you hear and concentrate on remembering the sound when they are in tune, use your ears to hear the note first and then check to see if you are correct with the tapes, developing hearing takes a while. Carl stross told me to find a very simple piece of music and play each note slowly concentrating on getting it perfect before moving on to the next, and it really is the best way, Eugen Modri told me to learn to sing scales which I did, you have to hear the correct note in your head before you can hit it on the violin, I am fairly crap myself but I try to improve all the same. Do you know about the flageolets, ringing notes on the violin? They are g d a e and b to a lesser extent, when you hit these notes exactly on target you can not fail to know they are perfectly in tune, once you know those notes you are halfway there without using tapes, one of the problems with tapes is that if the violin goes out of tune you won’t be able to play it, one of the things I have started to do is de tune a string and then play a piece in tune with the violin out of tune, it’s. A good exercise.

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If you want advice from me for what it’s worth, don’t start trying vibrato yet, trust me you are better concentrating on the basics, As for the tapes I never used them, I think it can make you robotic, but this is only my opinion and not worth much. If you need to leave the tapes on as a guide try to listen to the notes you hear and concentrate on remembering the sound when they are in tune, use your ears to hear the note first and then check to see if you are correct with the tapes, developing hearing takes a while. Carl stross told me to find a very simple piece of music and play each note slowly concentrating on getting it perfect before moving on to the next, and it really is the best way, Eugen Modri told me to learn to sing scales which I did, you have to hear the correct note in your head before you can hit it on the violin, I am fairly crap myself but I try to improve all the same. Do you know about the flageolets, ringing notes on the violin? They are g d a e and b to a lesser extent, when you hit these notes exactly on target you can not fail to know they are perfectly in tune, once you know those notes you are halfway there without using tapes, one of the problems with tapes is that if the violin goes out of tune you won’t be able to play it, one of the things I have started to do is de tune a string and then play a piece in tune with the violin out of tune, it’s. A good exercise.

  

Hmm yeh I don’t think I’m gonna try vibrato yet and I’m trying to learn to hear the notes. Maybe I’ll try some of those exercises. Thanks

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@IssacBows -

About the vibrato, just keep it in the back of your mind. There are some good exercises you can do just to start to prepare yourself.

The reason I mentioned it - I think I'm sorry I waited. 

I had been playing many tunes without vibrato long enough, when I finally "got it", it felt like I had to relearn my whole repertoire!

It's still what I'm going through, right now.

 

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I will. 2 questions though what usually the order of learning shifting, double stops and vibrato? Also about my fingers again should I use all three fingers when I’m playing the third note or only if I’m doing 3 down to two then down to 1...

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IssacBows said
I will. 2 questions though what usually the order of learning shifting, double stops and vibrato? Also about my fingers again should I use all three fingers when I’m playing the third note or only if I’m doing 3 down to two then down to 1...

  

You start learning shifting generally when you start learning third position, vibrato to be honest is fairly advanced, and isn’t easy for most people, some people can spend years trying to do it while others can get it in a couple of months, but once you get the basic idea you constantly then improve upon it, there are lots of ways of doing this, depends if you use arm vibrato, finger vibrato, hand vibrato or all three, I started to learn double stops after about nine months and vibrato at the same time, sometimes my vibrato is better than others depends how tired I am usually sometimes the concentration is too great. I don’t have a teacher by the way but I do have a musical background, if you have a teacher he will decide when you are ready for different techniques, in wohlfahrt opus 45 study 16 is good for your question of finger placement if I read your question correctly that is. If you start trying to shift from 1 to 3 rd position you will have to be able to recognise the notes that you are shifting to in third, I would if I were you practice scales, arpeggios, then pieces, then etudes in that order everyday, there are etudes to learn everything and usually increase in difficulty, some are fiendish depending on who designed them.

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stringy said

IssacBows said

I will. 2 questions though what usually the order of learning shifting, double stops and vibrato? Also about my fingers again should I use all three fingers when I’m playing the third note or only if I’m doing 3 down to two then down to 1...

  

You start learning shifting generally when you start learning third position, vibrato to be honest is fairly advanced, and isn’t easy for most people, some people can spend years trying to do it while others can get it in a couple of months, but once you get the basic idea you constantly then improve upon it, there are lots of ways of doing this, depends if you use arm vibrato, finger vibrato, hand vibrato or all three, I started to learn double stops after about nine months and vibrato at the same time, sometimes my vibrato is better than others depends how tired I am usually sometimes the concentration is too great. I don’t have a teacher by the way but I do have a musical background, if you have a teacher he will decide when you are ready for different techniques, in wohlfahrt opus 45 study 16 is good for your question of finger placement if I read your question correctly that is. If you start trying to shift from 1 to 3 rd position you will have to be able to recognise the notes that you are shifting to in third, I would if I were you practice scales, arpeggios, then pieces, then etudes in that order everyday, there are etudes to learn everything and usually increase in difficulty, some are fiendish depending on who designed them.

  

Wow a lot of useful information there thanks. Not sure if you understood my question about the fingers correctly... I mean one playing a third finger no should I have all three fingers down or only the third or does it depend when...

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Sorry, thought I mentioned keep at least one other finger down to help you navigate across the fingerboard, for now.  It's okay to keep all 3 fingers down until you know where to go next.  You can probably tell you need to always look ahead.

I believe order of learning probably depends on your goals. 

Don't think I can help - my goals are to be able to play a large variety of folk and pop tunes, anywhere/anytime (in different keys), maybe with someone - so my priorities are different.  Since most of my tunes are in 1st position, I've been learning shifting only when I need it.  I started vibrato after I was really comfortable with my intonation & I include double stops and ornamentation after I learn a basic melody.  I try to deliberately choose melodies that challenge different aspects of learning the violin - then I have the added challenge of a 5th string (C) to master.

Did you check out all the Fiddlerman tutorials?  I don't remember what order he suggests, but I believe I read something about he's starting a "Violin Academy", too! 

Anyone here know about that? 

Sorry, I can't be of more help. 

 

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@stringy - haven't you seen all those little kids that learn vibrato & how early they learn it?  Some people "get it" right away - just not me (lol)!

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Emily, I know what you mean with little kids, I was listening to one on you tube the other day a Chinese girl I think she was 3 years old, and was doing things that it’s taken me over. A year to learn, just the way it is, the older you get the longer it takes, I think it’s because they have a clear slate, it’s like how they learn to talk it’s magical. Same goes for learning an instrument it falls into place for them right away with no effort must be amazing but then again when they get older they would never know how hard it is because they have always been able to do it😎 it’s like my cousin David he passed his grade 8 piano when he was 8 years old, plays everything now, travels all over the world performing, the earlier you start the better, to late for me probably😟

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ELCB said
Sorry, thought I mentioned keep at least one other finger down to help you navigate across the fingerboard, for now.  It's okay to keep all 3 fingers down until you know where to go next.  You can probably tell you need to always look ahead.

I believe order of learning probably depends on your goals. 

Don't think I can help - my goals are to be able to play a large variety of folk and pop tunes, anywhere/anytime (in different keys), maybe with someone - so my priorities are different.  Since most of my tunes are in 1st position, I've been learning shifting only when I need it.  I started vibrato after I was really comfortable with my intonation & I include double stops and ornamentation after I learn a basic melody.  I try to deliberately choose melodies that challenge different aspects of learning the violin - then I have the added challenge of a 5th string (C) to master.

Did you check out all the Fiddlerman tutorials?  I don't remember what order he suggests, but I believe I read something about he's starting a "Violin Academy", too! 

Anyone here know about that? 

Sorry, I can't be of more help. 

 

Pumpkin Magically Change To 3 Bats Emoticons- Emily

@stringy - haven't you seen all those little kids that learn vibrato & how early they learn it?  Some people "get it" right away - just not me (lol)!

  

Aha for the next while I’ll probably be doing some scales and pieces that get a little harder. Never done arpeggios yet but guess I’ll get to that too. Slightly annoying thing is the last 3 weeks I’ve been playing in G or d major so I’m used to the positioning of sharp keys and playing in a flat or c is really difficult but Practice...

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ELCB said
Sorry, thought I mentioned keep at least one other finger down to help you navigate across the fingerboard, for now.  It's okay to keep all 3 fingers down until you know where to go next.  You can probably tell you need to always look ahead.

I believe order of learning probably depends on your goals. 

Don't think I can help - my goals are to be able to play a large variety of folk and pop tunes, anywhere/anytime (in different keys), maybe with someone - so my priorities are different.  Since most of my tunes are in 1st position, I've been learning shifting only when I need it.  I started vibrato after I was really comfortable with my intonation & I include double stops and ornamentation after I learn a basic melody.  I try to deliberately choose melodies that challenge different aspects of learning the violin - then I have the added challenge of a 5th string (C) to master.

Did you check out all the Fiddlerman tutorials?  I don't remember what order he suggests, but I believe I read something about he's starting a "Violin Academy", too! 

Anyone here know about that? 

Sorry, I can't be of more help. 

 

Pumpkin Magically Change To 3 Bats Emoticons- Emily

@stringy - haven't you seen all those little kids that learn vibrato & how early they learn it?  Some people "get it" right away - just not me (lol)!

  

Watched a bunch of his tutorials and they’ve been very helpful didn’t hear about a Violin Academy though...🤔🤔

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