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GregW
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November 19, 2019 - 10:09 pm
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Here's one we are learning in class.  Decided to practice and skip the jam tonight.. blink.  It's a jig in G called Pipe on the Hob.  Has a C# thrown in which gives it some flav.. and on the plus side if I sink we can call it a C.. cough.  I'm still trying to get the rolls.  Noticed that I might have not lifted 1st finger on some of them which gives them a feeling of being in mud to me.  anyway.. here is..

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Gregw,

That's a new one I had not heard before, nice, thanks for posting.

 

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I have not heard that jig either. I enjoyed it and enjoyed your playing. Thanks!

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Nice work @Gregw - and thanks for introducing a new tune, I like it thumbs-up

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thanks all!  there seems to be at least 2 versions of tunes named this.  as usual I'm playing a much slower tempo than its normally played.  I found this is older recording or possibly some fancy album art..sounds like an older recording.. I don't know who is pictured on cover.  I'm not familiar with them if you know feel free to post.  

 

and a Kevin Burke version paired with Morrison's

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Nice Playing Greg, This tune is on my standard play list. All I can say about the differences in how that is played is- Welcome to ITM (Irish Traditional Music) lol.

I play it similar to you. Nice ornaments BTW. If played as written you'll see most jigs having lots of triplets in 6/8 time. Many players, as you've noted here, even well known ones add a lilt to those notes or change the tune slightly, not as bad as Hendrix on the Star Spangled Banner..but still.. The triplets end up being more like dotted 8th notes. Everyone still gets to beat one, it just happens differently. Ornaments are like cream in your coffee. Everyone seems to do that a little differently or not at all. 

I guess I sort of gave up trying to follow some of those recording exactly. Kevin Burke especially has a style that has made him famous. He does some odd stuff sometimes which ends up sounding better than the original. Really it's from  the Sligo persuasion. He's a master of his version of ornamentation too.

Another thing you've probably noticed by now is depending on the instrument played the musician looks at the tune a little differently and therefore plays it differently. I especially notice the pipers or flute players doing this. Since this tune was likely written for pipes some fiddlers try to add that same personality to it that a flute player does, example being a finger trill will be finger ornament on fiddle. We also try to imitate bagpipes the same way.

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thanks @starise . 

I think maybe I was confusing on the 2 different tune part of my reply earlier.  for conversation sake I was showing the same tune played with a little different feel...I said something about 2 tunes then posted 2 videos of the same tune played  style wise a little different.  shouldve posted the links below..  DOH..  like you pointed out this happens a lot.  another tune that comes to mind is Sally in the garden..sally in the gardens... down in the Sally gardens..  what would be funny is calling out tune 1 below at a session and everyone thinking tune 2. that gets to the same group of musicians point you made.

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November 21, 2019 - 11:59 am
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I love the Morrisons Jig. Nice shares

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@GregW

I've seen that happen more often than I care to want to remember:O)

Another thing that commonly happens is they know it in another key.......so add some players who play it in another key, some players who play a totally different song, some players who play it twice as fast as everyone else, some players who play tunes and don't remember the names . I mean, it happens when you attempt to memorize all of those tunes lol............... it sometimes gets me wondering what I've gotten myself into here 🙂

About the only thing I can say that seems to help is hanging around it, listening to the music and you eventually absorb it, very similar to learning a new language. There's the surface tunes or I'll call it the outer layer that most who play ITM know, then there's the music that only a few know, then there's the music where I just sit there and wonder what it is....No kidding, my teacher gave me her set list with at least 100 tunes on it and I only knew maybe 10% of those tunes if that and I've been playing ITM for over 3 years.

It's kinds funny to listen to session discussions. One guy will say, "which version of that tune were you thinking to play?" or " I know that tune but it goes by a different name". I often wonder what I've gotten myself into lol.

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