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This piece definitely deserves some attention! 

@Mouse -

Thank you.

You made me take a closer look & I'm thinking Greg is right (you, too) - think it is bad inking and just an accent. 🙄  (see better the next measure over from 1st you pointed to)

...what a let down. (lol)

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ELCBK said
This piece definitely deserves some attention! 

@Mouse -

Thank you.

You made me take a closer look & I'm thinking Greg is right (you, too) - think it is bad inking and just an accent. 🙄  (see better the next measure over from 1st you pointed to)

...what a let down. (lol)

  

 

that was just a swag on my part..but almost looks like what happened..  if someone doesnt know or if cant find on google maybe @stringy can check front and back pages of book..possibly have a refrence.  also..maybe iys a piping articulation of some sort since its Scottish.

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I had a look like greg said but there are no references to notation at all. I have had a magnifying glass over the original notes and still cant tell if it is intentional or not. Maybe when it was printed the type setters used a damaged symbol?

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They could have had a broken die, definitely.

It could, also, be something this guy made up to represent a slightly less accented accent, for his use. Who knows. Someone had to make up these symbols at some time, and maybe this guy decided he needed this one, and for his publication of this piece, he used that? Or it is a broken die.

I think it is over embellished. I think you take a piece and mark it up as you interpret it, myself. In my Forescore program, I usually cover most of them over in white and make up my own, based on my own I interpret the piece, and needs.

Cello, Violin, and Viola Time! 

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nahh.. like i said. it was a guess.  im sure it means something, just hasnt to me up until now.  Ill take a look at a scottish music and a cape brenton book and see if it has that on any of the music later. They were way above what I could play so didnt spend much time on them yet.  Ill also check a  music book I have and see if it has anything.   It seems to me that Scottish music is closer to classical in the way things are written.  Irish notations seem to put the bare minimum and its up to the individual to ornament so other than the previously mentioned notation software Im limited on what alot of the symbols mean.

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its a bow scrape..whatever that is

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out of chaper 5 arranging for strings kindle edition...

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Page 45 chapter 5 figure 5.4  clls it a soft chop or scrape...guess that was where i fell asleep and didnt retain..lol..NOW WE KNOW..or NOW I KNOW..lol.. so much for the bad ink..lol  did they chop or scrape back then?  that seems a little avante garde for scottish.  now im doubting thats what it meant then. this is what happens when I think too much about this stuff..lol..my brain hurts now.

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I'm sorry I made a big deal of it. 

There's a lot of poor inking (or just old?) on the page, so I'm sure it's the same with the accents.

Take a look at the beginning of the 5th full measure of the 2nd line, you can see more of an incomplete accent above the A5.

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@elcbk thats what the forum is for..i shouldnt have suggested the ink thing and let it be but that was my first thought when i saw it...  all good...

not sure how to link book but its by mimi rabson if youre interested.  Arranging for Strings.  bought it through kindle app a while back.

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greg I am glad I am not the only one who thinks the scots music is difficult, most of it in this book is absolutely fiendishly hard for me, at the moment  anyway.

Its funny because it has Irish jigs and reels in there As well and they look really simple compared to the scots stuff, in fact they are simple. would have thought that for two gaelic nations the music would have been more similar.

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aint nutin simple bout this thing (fiddle)  dazed  Irish can be as hard as you wanna make it.  Whats cool is listening to someone like Martin Hayes play Britches full of Stiches and think..that sounds easy..then trying to play like that.  Just that tune alone could be a long study in dynamics, ornaments, tone, intonation..sometimes the simple stuff is just right.  on one of the podcast ive listened to over the last few months there was a classical player that switched to Scottish and  ( baroque? ) music.  She is from Australia.. she went into alot of the parallels of Scottish and classical..well more so than other folk traditions.

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just listened to that tune, of course you are quite correct, his tone and inflection on it are  beautiful, for some reason it reminded me of a childs swing going back and forth, fading and reappearing.

 

I think if the violin wasnt as difficult as it is I would have given up long ago.

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Its a beginner tune I think.  But as you can see, nothing of what he was playing other than the notes ( i think he is in A ) would be shown in the music.  If it was notated exactly, things would be a little busy to say the least.  Fiddle is a challenge and for that very rewarding when the playing comes out resembling what I hear in my head.  I wish it would happen more often!

https://thesession.org/tunes/1.....print=true

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@GregW 

Really, a bow scrape? 

Very interesting... just might have to order that book. 

@stringy - 

You found this in Kerr's 1st Collection?

For an Irish tune, think it is exceptional to find this kind of notation.

Thank you!

Here's Fergal Scahill's, "The Blackbird".  I suppose this is slow for Fergal. (lol)

 

Don't know if this one helps, but crazy that Ian says he's starting on the D string, when he's clearly on the A!  🤣  ...we all have our days. 

 

 

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Here's MY kind of Blackbird!

...nothing at all like Cecile Corbel's "Blackbird", oh well. 

Think I'll pass on this, for now.

- Emily

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@elcbk yes Really ..or a soft chop.  or probably back in the day some scottish articulation.  OR ink missing on print ...best i can find on my end.

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@elcbk the other two books I have Fiddle Music of Prince Edward Island and Scottish Fiddle Tunes ( from Schott )  dont have that symbol.  The P.E.I book does have a small UP ARROW to say the note is substantially sharper than indicated pitch and a DOWN ARROW for one thats flatter than indicated pitch..  but none have the symbol you pointed out.

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@GregW -

 

Thanx, Greg! 

I'll check those out. 

Very interesting about the Tonal accent symbols!  

Think there's an awful lot of fiddle music out there that expects you to figure it out on your own if you don't have someone to learn each tune from.  Many times now I've heard "flatten that note a little" or "use a neutral note - something in between"! (lol)

 

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ELCBK said
@GregW -

 

Thanx, Greg! 

I'll check those out. 

Very interesting about the Tonal accent symbols!  

Think there's an awful lot of fiddle music out there that expects you to figure it out on your own if you don't have someone to learn each tune from.  Many times now I've heard "flatten that note a little" or "use a neutral note - something in between"! (lol)

 

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- Emily

  

somewhere on one of those internet journeys YOU probably started..lol Just kiddin  laugh ( I do that on my own) I read about the pipers C..  something in between a natural C and C# .   that made me feel a bunch better...so now ill just say im using artistic expression when the intonation sinks or is sharp..coffee  always act like you meant to do it..haha

learnededed  some things today..i think.. hehe...

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