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I cannot figure what kind is what in fiddlin' music
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Thomas wants to get back to good old fashioned fiddlin' music that he loved so much before he was inundated with orchestra and his new teachers lessons, which is also classical. The only book we ever played from was a book in which we have lost the cover to but it had songs such as Double Shuffle, Sugar in the Gourd, Chicken Stampede, Chicken in the Hay, Finger Schottische, Give the Fiddler a Dram, Fishers Hornpipe, Illinois Cottilion, Northstar Schottische, Hi-Lo Schottische......Now I know there are different names for different fiddlin' styles, so what would you put these fiddlin tunes into? we want to get a book or two with these kinds of tunes in them but dont have a clue what to look for in a title or genre. Can anyone help?

Jim(Thomases Dad)

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Perhaps take a look at the fiddlers fake book.

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fiddlers fakebook has many which Ive used.  I like The Portland collection.  At his level He may want to cruise through youtube, pandora, or many of the links on the forum and find the music he likes and just have a go at it.  If he finds he needs some sheet music, tunearch.org covers different "styles" i guess.  they have a bit of all of it.  slipperyhill covers mainly American oldtime.  thesession more irish and what people would call celtic.  not sure on bluegrass. maybe fiddlehangout or banjo hangout.  theres links on the site here for other styles under one of the headings with all the different type music.

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Some great books & recent discussions on Old Time, Country (& more) videos & links to free sheet music here: 

https://fiddlermanhttps://fidd.....m/country/

Thomas has & still is (by the look of that list) playing Irish tunes, so lots of links to free sheet music here - check out The Traditional Celtic Music Archives:

https://fiddlerman.com/forum/i.....on/page-2/

Like ABitRusty said, The Session is a GREAT place!  Search for a type of tune (reel, jig, etc...), or search for a key (like A major, or E minor) - click on the sheet music tab after you choose a tune, to print the music & hear it play a midi! 

https://thesession.org/tunes

You'd both probably enjoy old 'Parlor' type tunes!  

https://fiddlerman.com/forum/o.....c/#p123445

You'd LOVE ANY of Jay Ungar & Molly Mason's books! 

https://jayandmolly.com/store/books/

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@ABitRusty and @Mark I have no clue what the fiddlers fake book is. and both him and I have done sooooo much cruisin through videos and songs to find the type of music he likes. We will find a song that incorporates double stops and simply fun, old fashioned American barn dance pieces but we want a whole book of them but in order to do that, we need to know just what genre it is and that is where I am stuck. i dont even know if they are called jigs, reels or whatever.  we just want to play fun, old fashioned "yee ha" music is the best way I can put it. I know it sounds vague but I honestly cannot explain it any better. @ELCBK We looked at the sessions link and we liked a lot of the jigs but didnt see many doublestop pieces , which is what Thomas likes. So I guess starting with the session, we will just have to keep listening to songs one by one but already, we like some of the reels as well. I just wish there was a genre that we can simply use purchase a song book. I dont know if it is an impossible question or not to be honest. 

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this is the kind of music he likes. 

 

https://my.artistworks.com/blo.....ddle-tunes

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@jimandthoms check this out ..look for the violin links there is also cello and viola.  Mark Oconner method that may be what youre after.  he has a website with the related books.

http://www.oconnormethod.com/S.....d-CDs.html

 

some of the tunes youve listed fiddlerman has posted in the menu up at the top.

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TY @ABitRusty I have printed off some of fiddlermans fiddlin music already. He is the first I go to.

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That is EXACTLY the kind of music he loves @ABitRusty The book 2 and 3 he is going to love....thank you very much

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@JimandThomas -

"The Gettysburg Collection" book - 522 Fiddle Tunes - these tunes: https://www.oldtimefiddletunes.net/

 

Chris Haigh has a great book "Exploring Country and Bluegrass Fiddle" (has DOUBLESTOPS) - the type of tunes you are looking for, plus other great info & history on these tunes! 

Here's a trailer for the book - you can see the table of contents (read more about it in the video description): 

 

 

One book that was on the Jay Ungar & Molly Mason site, I thought might interest you - "The New England Fiddler's Repertoire"

Here's a little video intro to the type of music (the book is mentioned in the video description): 

 

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Thank you everyone for helping me navigate the many genres of fiddlin music. I still have a lot to learn about what is what but now we found some music that he likes, mainly the New England repetoire. The Fiddlers Fakebook was a great idea as well as the session being a great place to start and narrow down our choices.

Jim(Thomases Dad)

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The best way for Thomas to learn to fiddle is to both read music, and listen to a lot of the fiddling music that he loves. Lots of stuff that raw fiddlers do is not written down and if he listens to enough great fiddlers, he will hopefully be able to copy and eventually make it his own. The fake books are great for learning the base melody but Thomas has to make it special by adding drones, double stops, embellishments, grit and such. He should start playing by ear as well which will help enormously down the line.

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Love this thread. As I become more active again with my fiddle playing I have connected with some of these links as above. There is a local group that jams on Sunday afternoon I am considering participating in. How valuable is connecting with other players while learning?

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Ripton said
Love this thread. As I become more active again with my fiddle playing I have connected with some of these links as above. There is a local group that jams on Sunday afternoon I am considering participating in. How valuable is connecting with other players while learning?

  

OMG! 

I wouldn't miss out on the opportunity to find out! 🤗  

If they all play too fast, you'll still learn stuff you can try back home - or maybe someone there knows of a slow session in your area.  I think it's great to be able to compare ideas & ask questions. 

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With only one exception (as a participant in a school recital, yeah I was the only adult player... AWKWARD) I have never played in public. I'll give it a try and see if Terry will video the jam (if ok with the other players)

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Ripton said
Love this thread. As I become more active again with my fiddle playing I have connected with some of these links as above. There is a local group that jams on Sunday afternoon I am considering participating in. How valuable is connecting with other players while learning?

I think your asking is it important to find other people to play with.  If your goal is to play with other people..very important. You have to not put it off till you feel ready..you never will..or I least I never did. Theres no substitute for just jumping in.   

But dont feel like you have to play anything for it to be a success.   If youve been thinking about going but never went..the fact that you go is good enough.  Even if you dont play a lick youll see how its ran..hopefully record some of what they play, alot of the songs/tunes get played everytime.  

If youre asking about finding people that you make friends with at the jam.. It made it easier for me. especially after the jam is over being able to chat about whats what as it pertains to that jam.   Even away from jam sharing ideas of what to play next meeting helps.. gives you an idea of what to expect.  

Its like being here except you dont have to worry about spelling and everything is real time.  Everybody is there for the music.

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