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Take a Plunge Into the Baroque World - Where Chinrests & Shoulder Rests DON'T EXIST!
You CAN play a NAKED Violin & Viola!
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Mentioned in the Vibrato Without a Shoulder Rest Thread that I stopped using a shoulder rest.  It's been 3 weeks without one, now - guess I'm done with them for good! 

I even played Mortimer a few days ago, mainly to see if I'd have trouble switching back to violin after playing Edgar this many months and also to see if the glossy finish would be a problem with no shoulder rest - all fine! 🤗 

I'm finally getting better control over my Left thumb, letting it balance the neck while I do vibrato & shift.

It was hard to keep the Left thumb relaxed at first, but much easier when I discovered a better way to use it.

https://www.healthhype.com/wp-content/uploads/hand_joints.jpg

I had to practice opening/closing my Left thumb to the side of my hand only using the CMC joint (see photo), while also navigating all around the neck.  The tip of my thumb points outward, with pad 45° up and springy - not forcing hyper extension.  Kinda like thumbing for a ride with 4 fingers straight. (lol)

My whole thumb may form as much as a 90° angle open to my hand when I reach around & up to 3rd position and higher - or when my thumb needs to be under the neck, near the scroll, I can close the angle to be right next to my hand for security (only up to the IP joint), but most of the time my thumb/space/index finger look like the square root sign (√). 

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I saw the strangest thing today, while I was looking for Twelfth Night music.

Have you seen what Rachell Ellen Wong is using on her Baroque Violin? 

It's some kind of custom grippy pad/cap cover over the end of her instrument!  NO SLIPPING on her shoulder!  THIS DOESN'T MOVE - AT ALL (like draping a cloth does)!  It's neat/clean looking shape - and, it affords her the opportunity to change where she wants to place her chin, if she wants more tilt.

I checked some earlier videos, appears she only started using this about 3 years ago.

This video is the best I could find of Rachell holding the violin AND playing it.  I can't find any video descriptions or articles where she talks about this, so looks like I'm going to have to ask.  ...would be wonderful if I can get (or make) one for my VIOLA!  🤔... fairly stiff & looks lined, might attach to the tailpiece - maybe neoprene, or cloth with a stabilizer.  

 

For anyone curious about just trying to go shoulder restless, I updated my earlier link to this presentation series of 10 YT Videos: 

Rest No More? (The shoulder rest, that is) - Jonathon Swartz, Professor of Violin, Arizona State University. 

Here's the 1st Video: 

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Interesting. I tried several times to use a shoulder rest, but I always encountered shoulder and back stiffness. I also tried several chin rests. I finally found a Fiddlerman chin rest that fit my ergonomics, and I have played ever since without a problem -- and also without a shoulder rest.

Violin ergonomics are difficult, as attested by the large variety of devices that are available to help violinists hold and play this crazy instrument. There are also a variety of positions that have been used over the years -- holding the fiddle in the armpit, on the chest, and even on the knees like a cello. 

I understand that injuries are common among string players. Janet Horvath’s book Playing (Less) Hurt is an exhaustive description of ergonomic injuries for musicians, along with ways to minimize problems. (Ask me why I bought her book, haha!) However, she does not deal with the myriad devices that have been invented to protect us from repetitive motion injuries.

In a positive vein, I find that playing without a shoulder rest gives me freedom to play standing or sitting and  move around as the spirit (and the music) moves me. A small leather patch makes the violin less slidey on my shoulder.

If my memory is correct, Pierre H. has a good video about the benefits of playing without a shoulder rest. That video must be somewhere on the Fiddlerman site.

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I was also interested in this subject after I heard the song by the who, wont get fooled again.

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