FORUM

Check out our Forum Rules. Lets keep this forum an enjoyable place to visit.

A A A
Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —






— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
Tunevolution
One tune evolving into another
Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 (0 votes) 
Avatar
Worldfiddler
Members

Regulars
August 17, 2018 - 3:20 pm
Member Since: April 22, 2012
Forum Posts: 446
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Hello!

I've been away from here for a while, so just catching up with stuff.

Have you ever played a tune, and thought it sounded like another tune? Well, that wouldn't be surprising, as there are loads of versions of the same "tune", played by different players in different countries, over a period of time.

Sometimes the tune gets varied a little bit (and sometime the name gets changed too!), so the tune is still recognisable, but you can spot that there's something not the same.

Now let's say you hear this second generation of the tune (without ever having heard the original), then play it for a while, maybe changing a few notes here and there just to suit yourself, eg to improve the melody, change a few angular phrases that don't fall easily under the fingers - that kind of thing.

Then a third person hears *only* your variation, learns it, and does the same thing as you - makes small changes.

So you get when this is all going now, don't you? A new tune evolves, eventually.

Is anyone up for this little project? If so, let me know, on this thread.

Thanks! 

Mr Jim dancing

Avatar
BillyG
Brora, North-east Scotland
August 18, 2018 - 12:39 am
Member Since: March 22, 2014
Forum Posts: 2496
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Yup, count me in...

Hahaha - yeah - then you start hearing the following sort of comment - "Very nice, but that's not how you play {insert name of tune here} "   

Here's a tune (well two tunes) that kind of do this and "meld together" in a crazy crazy way -just sing this if you recognize the lyrics - "Yes, we have no bananas, Oh bring back my bonny to me...."  🙂

Not QUITE the same as your plan, and I LIKE the idea, especially sort of keeping "older" versions other than the most-recent un-heard across several generations of the tune.   Another aspect in adaptation/evolution is the timing - like - oh - what am I thinking of - yeah - "Auld Lang Syne" and "Comin' through the Rye" - pretty much similar in the notes played, but timing and duration and hence rhythm quite different - and -in some ways, to some ears, different enough to be considered two entirely different tunes I guess.

Good project...  🙂 

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

Avatar
damfino
oHIo, USA
Members

Regulars
August 18, 2018 - 8:57 am
Member Since: July 23, 2015
Forum Posts: 1777
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Sounds like a cool little experiment 😀 

☆•*¨*•¸¸¸.•*¨*•☆•*¨*•¸¸¸.•*¨*•☆•*¨*•.¸¸¸.•*¨*•☆
On a journey to learn the fiddle since July 24, 2015
☆•*¨*•.¸¸¸.•*¨* •☆•*¨*¨*•¸¸¸.•*¨*•☆

Avatar
Worldfiddler
Members

Regulars
August 18, 2018 - 5:08 pm
Member Since: April 22, 2012
Forum Posts: 446
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

OK, damfino!

It would be nice to have just one player to hep to more to tunevolute - any takers? 🙂 

I should have said in my previous post - I'll kick off the first tune, and I'll play it as I normally would, then I'll play it slowly too, so you can hear all the notes cleanly and clearly.

Oh! I just noticed that Shooter replied (Billy Gunn) … so there are no restrictions on how to tunevolute, but the changes should be slight, whether it's just a few notes here and there, or even just the whole tune with a different rhythm.

The point being that from one step to the next, the tune will sound different, but still be recognisable. 

OK, I'll post mine shortly!

Mr Jim dancing

PS Does anyone have a preference for a simple, commonly played tune?

Avatar
BillyG
Brora, North-east Scotland
August 19, 2018 - 1:42 am
Member Since: March 22, 2014
Forum Posts: 2496
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@Worldfiddler - probably too early in the morning for me yet - but I don't get what you mean by - are you talking about an "existing" tune (wouldn't have thought so)...

Worldfiddler said
........PS Does anyone have a preference for a simple, commonly played tune?  

Let me / us know what's in yer heid...thumbs-up

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

Avatar
bocaholly
Boca Raton, Florida
Members

Regulars
August 19, 2018 - 9:41 am
Member Since: July 8, 2018
Forum Posts: 140
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Well, Worldfiddler, you've got at least one beginner (me) really curious. Right now, I'm still glued to the notes in my beginner books so this sounds like a great way to loosen up and develop some courage.

It would be cool if you more experienced players got started so we newbies could hear and see what you mean. Then maybe we'd be able to emulate with some short ditties.

Thanks for the fun idea.

Holly

Avatar
damfino
oHIo, USA
Members

Regulars
August 19, 2018 - 11:57 am
Member Since: July 23, 2015
Forum Posts: 1777
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Worldfiddler said

PS Does anyone have a preference for a simple, commonly played tune?  

If we want to drive @BillyG nuts we could do You Are My Sunshine *evil laugh* devil-violin

But nope, no ideas here, what do you have in mind? I'm thinking some of our commonly played tunes would be different than what's played over there. 

☆•*¨*•¸¸¸.•*¨*•☆•*¨*•¸¸¸.•*¨*•☆•*¨*•.¸¸¸.•*¨*•☆
On a journey to learn the fiddle since July 24, 2015
☆•*¨*•.¸¸¸.•*¨* •☆•*¨*¨*•¸¸¸.•*¨*•☆

Avatar
BillyG
Brora, North-east Scotland
August 19, 2018 - 2:51 pm
Member Since: March 22, 2014
Forum Posts: 2496
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh @damfino  roflol

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

Avatar
BillyG
Brora, North-east Scotland
August 20, 2018 - 4:49 am
Member Since: March 22, 2014
Forum Posts: 2496
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Well yes - @damfino and @Worldfiddler - that's what was sort of confusing me - if we start off with an existing well-known-tune - my feeling about that is that it wouldn't necessarily be a true "evolution" - simply because there are always so many personal and individual variations done by players....

I had kind of thought you ( Mr. Jim ) were referring to, or talking about, an "entirely new tune" - like maybe one of your own compositions, that no-one has heard before... to see how it evolves from Originator -> player 1 only, then player 1 -> player 2 only and so on.   I say "only", but possibly as the originator of the project, each new evolution would be shared with you as well - but certainly NOT with other participants until the "final evolution" had been reached.....   Only then would all "intermediate evolutions" be shared with all participants.

Maybe I'm over-complicating your plan ?

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

Avatar
Worldfiddler
Members

Regulars
August 22, 2018 - 3:53 am
Member Since: April 22, 2012
Forum Posts: 446
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
10sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

"If we want to drive BillyG nuts we could do You Are My Sunshine *evil laugh* "

Indeed, Missy Mandy - however, that would be a good and very simple tune to demonstrate what I'm talking about.

Let me get something together here - I'll record the tune straight, then with a bit of "tunevoluton".

Mr Jim dancing

Avatar
mookje
The Netherlands
Members
August 22, 2018 - 10:36 am
Member Since: July 29, 2018
Forum Posts: 68
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
11sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Great project!  For me, as a beginner, it’s to early to join but I’m looking forward to hear the results!

 Life isn’t about waiting for the storm to pass. It’s about dancing in the rain!!

Avatar
BillyG
Brora, North-east Scotland
August 23, 2018 - 8:56 am
Member Since: March 22, 2014
Forum Posts: 2496
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Worldfiddler said
"If we want to drive BillyG nuts we could do You Are My Sunshine *evil laugh* "

Indeed, Missy Mandy - however, that would be a good and very simple tune to demonstrate what I'm talking about.

Let me get something together here - I'll record the tune straight, then with a bit of "tunevoluton".

Mr Jim dancing  

OMG @damfino - well "thanks a lot lady"  🙂  🙂  🙂  - actually, it's maybe not a bad idea - it'll break the spell that darned tune has held over me like the sword of Damocles...   I break into a cold sweat ever time I hear it mentioned, let alone played....

And, @Worldfiddler - if you don't "get" why the evil-spell of this darned tune has me in its thrall - THIS is the reason - 24 hours locked away in a darkened room, mixing down all the parts for this little project I did with a few other willing participants...

 

I mean - for WEEKS after the mix-down - even the "tick-tick-tick" of the clock on the wall was going "You-Are-My...."  DOH....  Ohhhh, it's painful... I need professional help... 🙂

 

Devil tune... devil-violin

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

Avatar
mookje
The Netherlands
Members
August 28, 2018 - 10:59 pm
Member Since: July 29, 2018
Forum Posts: 68
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
13sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Great work Billy, it must be very difficult to put all the pieces together. It’s good to see and hear all the people playing ‘together’, gives a nice mood!!

 Life isn’t about waiting for the storm to pass. It’s about dancing in the rain!!

Avatar
BillyG
Brora, North-east Scotland
August 29, 2018 - 1:52 am
Member Since: March 22, 2014
Forum Posts: 2496
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
14sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

🙂 🙂 🙂 @mookje - at least I can start to smile about it now.... the "evil spell" is wearing off.   It really was a nightmare lining-up all the parts from other players' audio - it gave a real insight to how difficult it must be for @Fiddlerman on group projects with perhaps up to 24 players submitting multiple parts - I only had 12 audio tracks in total to mix and line up.  And in some ways, with fewer parts, it can be more difficult to get a good mix because with so few parts if you try to drop the level of one track (to hide an issue where there's been a fluffed note or timing, or otherwise poor section in the audio) you end up losing the overall feel when the instrument voice suddenly gets dropped out...    I would say NEVER AGAIN - but - you never know....  It *was* a lot of fun...

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 231

Currently Online: JamesRSmithJr, Irv, pchoppin
52 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Members Birthdays
sp_BirthdayIcon
Today None
Upcoming coolpinkone, ADK-Mark, Nokturne, RosinRepublic, Panda-P, OP Alaraasakka, KarenSquared, Leesajohnson

Top Posters:

coolpinkone: 4123

Mad_Wed: 2849

.: 2671

Fiddlestix: 2647

Oliver: 2439

DanielB: 2379

Kevin M.: 1969

cdennyb: 1813

damfino: 1777

TerryT: 1726

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 2

Members: 13775

Moderators: 0

Admins: 5

Forum Stats:

Groups: 16

Forums: 57

Topics: 7265

Posts: 90427

Newest Members:

Arashigorespita, kerryrs2, phyllisxf3, Gop, josephinesm69, keriwj2

Administrators: Fiddlerman: 13395, KindaScratchy: 1726, BillyG: 2496, MrsFiddlerman: 0, Jimmie Bjorling: 0