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Study by the violin lab explaining how vibrato works
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Shane "Chicken" Wang
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Worth a watch to understand better how vibrato works.

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Very interesting, thanks, Mark I had not seen this.

The software she's using is very interesting to use and watch your intonenation with as you play.

 

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Very interesting video, indeed. Even if I'm not learning vibrato yet, what Beth demonstrated makes a ton of sense. Now what do I do when I do start learning vibrato and my teacher tells me to start below the pitch, vibrate up to it and no further? LOL.

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I have a question for bocaholly.  Is Beth using the same chin rest as the one you just modified for your violin?  It sure looks similar.

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bocaholly said
Very interesting video, indeed. Even if I'm not learning vibrato yet, what Beth demonstrated makes a ton of sense. Now what do I do when I do start learning vibrato and my teacher tells me to start below the pitch, vibrate up to it and no further? LOL.  

If the video is correct, she'll never hear the difference.

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@Shane "Chicken" Wang Correct... assuming I can keep my mouth shut cow-fingerscrossed

@Irv Good catch. I think you're right. She might have the Wave 2 which has a little less of a ridge on top than mine but the general shape is about right and it sure looks like it has that African padauk wood color to it.

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@Shane "Chicken" Wang, interesting video, thanks for sharing!

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I found this video this morning on vibrato and the way she explains about the knocking, something clicked for me. I understand that in the video she covers weeks, months, and years of practice.

Someone said that learning left and right hand was like driving a stick shift. I have trained truck drivers, welders, pipe fitters, forklift drivers and maintenance men. Some analogies hit home with me and remind me that teachers and people are different, not necessarily good or bad, but different. Sometimes it just takes a measure of time for our brains to process information and allow that "click" to happen.

We learn from repetition, repetition of action, and repetition of correct information. Since we are all different, We all learn in different ways, at different speeds, in different modes, with different outcomes, imprinted with our own personal interpretation of all that we have taken in. We call that style.

Our style, is our signature, another reflection of who we are, when we start to become satisfied or happy with what we are doing. Be it the way we play an instrument, shift gears in a big truck, (which has a tempo and a beat count, matches The Addams Family theme song), or the flatness and swirl in a fillet weld, our best results come when we have faith in ourselves, confidence in our abilities, and a relaxing peace of mind. The difference between drone and artist.

The old joke, How do you get to Carnegie Hall? PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE. I love practice, the achievements, the mistakes, the beauty, and the ugliness. I am not focused on the end of the trip, I am focused on the journey.

Enjoy the trip you are own, and do it with style.

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I too have seen the prescription "play from below the note up to the note", but in reality you are always going to be using your ears.

For comparison, at university in 1980 I was lucky enough to play second oboe in a pro-am production of Prokofiev's Duenna under Howard Williams of the ENO. The first oboist was a mature philosophy undergraduate who already had a performer's diploma from the Royal College of Music, and he became my oboe teacher. I spent a whole 6 months practising diaphragm vibrato every single day! I am going to assume, initially, that it will take me 6 months next year to learn perfect violin vibrato (of course, I've started already, lol!).

I always wanted to be a juvenile delinquent but my parents wouldn't let me.

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I saw first the prescription "play from below to above the note", which did make sense to me (then saw it contradicted basically everywhere else).

But @Andrew Shumway I agree that it doesn't matter much in the end, as it's mostly the ear and not the eyes that will control the playing. Even when practicing, it's too fast to see what's happening, let alone think about the details. As long as the intonation sounds correct, it's fine...

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Andrew Shumway said
I too have seen the prescription "play from below the note up to the note", but in reality you are always going to be using your ears.

For comparison, at university in 1980 I was lucky enough to play second oboe in a pro-am production of Prokofiev's Duenna under Howard Williams of the ENO. The first oboist was a mature philosophy undergraduate who already had a performer's diploma from the Royal College of Music, and he became my oboe teacher. I spent a whole 6 months practising diaphragm vibrato every single day! I am going to assume, initially, that it will take me 6 months next year to learn perfect violin vibrato (of course, I've started already, lol!).  

Hmmmm. You know on saxophone you learn vibrato through embouchure, took 20 minutes. lol. I know what you mean though, I can play the brass section.

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The theory is that the human ear registers the highest tone.

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Shane "Chicken" Wang said

...on saxophone you learn vibrato through embouchure, took 20 minutes. lol....

Coincidentally I was listening to some really good sleazy 50s tenor sax rock n roll the other day and thinking, yeah, that's jaw vibrato, but it's exactly right for the music, and diaphragm vibrato would be very wrong.

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