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Gordon Shumway
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I had the notion that $400 (or sterling equivalent) was a price-point that suited me. At that price I'm only interested in carbon. There are a few Codas and the Col Legno Deluxe at that price among others. The Col Legno Standard is superb, so I feel that I've found a comfort zone. Then I noticed that the Coda blurb talked of stiffer sticks being easier to control for intermediate players, and I stopped, bearing in mind Peter's bow issues.

The Col Legno Standard is recommended for "advancing or advanced" players, so did I want an intermediate stiff stick or did I want a flexible one? Let's be ambitious and choose flexible. What price and what bows are we talking about for a stick as flexible as a pro's?

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Maybe Coda publish a pdf of full technical blurb and I need to download it and read it all.

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Gordon Shumway said
... I noticed that the Coda blurb talked of stiffer sticks being easier to control for intermediate players, and I stopped, bearing in mind Peter's bow issues.

  

Is there any merit in fine-tuning the hair tension to mitigate stick stiffness issues, notwithstanding the obvious limits of limp hair and straightened stick? I am as usual speaking from an engineering standpoint with no authority on bows and their properties.

Peter

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I was in the violin shop a couple of weeks ago.  I had them change my tailpiece to a carbon fiber.  while there I checked out a few bows including coda.  wanted to demo the luma but they were out.  also tried some arcos bows and liked..which brings me to the new model bow fiddlershop has that to me looks like a version of the arcos.  looks like an interesting option.  EDIT...wasn't an arcos but John Paul..oh well.

https://fiddlershop.com/produc.....violin-bow

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Peter said

Gordon Shumway said
... I noticed that the Coda blurb talked of stiffer sticks being easier to control for intermediate players, and I stopped, bearing in mind Peter's bow issues.

Is there any merit in fine-tuning the hair tension to mitigate stick stiffness issues, notwithstanding the obvious limits of limp hair and straightened stick? I am as usual speaking from an engineering standpoint with no authority on bows and their properties.

Yes there is Peter. It's great to find the tension that works for you then adjust it while practicing. Someone used to make a bow back in the day (maybe 20 years ago) that had an adjustable wire/screw/nut to adjust the inner tension of the bow. I think it was called staccato or spiccato bow. It wasn't cheap either.

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Much like the truss rod on a guitar; it makes you wonder why this isn't a more popular option, but then I thought about the price of high-end bows, and the wonder dissipated. They truly are an art form and the more I learn of them, the more magical they become.

I want to wind back time and be apprenticed to an archetier.

Peter

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@Peter and @Fiddlerman et al.  I started a thread on that mutant bow a year ago (see the violin topic area, currently residing on page 15).  It was called the Rolland Spiccato Premiere.  The original thread contains the patent (I also found a similar patent used with a fishing rod).  I copied the photo for inclusion here.9A461533-D7F1-4157-B410-F8A526FBC573.jpeg

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I asked my favourite shop why they didn't stock the Col Legno Deluxe, and they replied "it's not worth the extra cost over the Standard model".

Andrew

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That's it Irv. 😁
Thanks

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I was hoping for answers, but I'm going to assume my question was unintelligible.

I looked at the Coda catalogue and decided that the bow that was going to last me the rest of my life might be a Luma or a Diamond GX (although I was hoping for something cheaper).

The problem is, Coda describe the Luma as "light... in weight and character". This "light in character" is kind of damning to my mind, unless it's a poor description.

Perhaps a middle-of-the-road GX would be best.

However, I have seen it written that Coda don't offer enough for the money they cost.

Any views, @Fiddlerman ?

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"Light in weight and character" sounds like a bow I might prefer to use to play, say, Mozart. Probably means a bouncier stick with a balance point closer to the frog than average.

Reviews of Coda bows vary. The principal violist of my semi-pro orchestra, who also plays in the professional orchestra here, used a Diamond GX as her main performing bow for years, before recently switching to a JonPaul Fusion Silver (or C.F. Iesta on the European continent), the same bow I use, which is actually less expensive. But the reason for the switch was that she wanted a somewhat stiffer, heavier bow to dig into viola strings more -- this may not be a problem on violin. I would say the Diamond GX is definitely suitable for professional use, at least at the regional orchestra level. Of course it also depends on how well the bow matches your specific violin.

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Gordon, I don't think that the Diamond GX is lighter than any other bow. Perhaps the key words in their description, "in character".
I like both bows but it depends on what you are looking for. When it comes to the people who say that a Coda bows don't offer value, I feel it's a mixture of opinions and perhaps competition. There are so many ideas and opinions out there yet there are many people who love the Coda bows. If you are looking for a carbon fiber bow, Coda is definitely worth looking at. If you are looking for a very light bow, Arcus would be the bows to look at but they are much higher priced than the Coda bows. We have a bow that is getting raving reviews from our customers which is our new Fiddlerman Pro series bow.
As per value, we have low margins on our own products and we try to be the least expensive dealer with similar products. We offer a lowest price guarantee to protect you from paying more with us but sometimes we don't notice that a new dealer has dropped a price to be more competitive. We have thousands of products to keep up with.
If you choose to buy the Diamond or Luma, you have a 45 day satisfaction guarantee with us, no questions asked. If anyone has a better deal, we'll match or beat it. If you want to test the bow before buying, sign up for an in home trial. I think you'll like the Coda bow.

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