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I bought a cheap silent electric violin, mainly for practice without disturbing anyone.

I have a friend who is a bassist who will lend me his one pedal, but I was wondering if there is a must-have single pedal violinists use?

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Hi @Andrew Shumway - not sure about any "violin specific" FX pedals - although I successfully use the Boss ME80 (really intended for guitar, but it works just fine on my cheap Thomann EV).  [ the box cost more than the EV I might add ].  One of the "nice features" to consider is a pedal or small effects box with a "loop/live-mix" playback feature - lets you practice harmony etc.   And of course more complex devices like the Boss allow staged effects - add chorus, harmonizer, echo, reverb, etc etc etc all summed into the output signal - probably a bit of overkill for the fiddle though 🙂 ]

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Hi Andrew Fryer and others.  I also have an inexpensive electric violin that I purchased for the same reason.  Make sure that the distance between nut and bridge is the same on both violins for consistent intonation.  On the guidance from several YouTube videos, I purchased a second hand Zoom G2 Guitar Effects Pedal, which has about 100 different effects in it.  I mainly use octave (to emulate the playing of a viola or cello) and reverb (to emulate playing in a cave).  Mine did not come with a “wall wort” ac adapter, but it is easy and inexpensive to get one on the internet (9 volt dc with a center pin neutral).  The pedal is useless without an instruction manual, but it is a quick download for free.

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Irv said
I purchased a second hand Zoom G2 Guitar Effects Pedal, which has about 100 different effects in it.

Yeah, my friend has a Zoom B1on. It's now twice as expensive as when he bought it though. No, I tell a lie - the price is fluctuating.

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I think that I paid about $30 US for mine on eBay.  You can easily pay $200 US for an octave pedal alone.  I mate it with a very small amp/speaker combination sold by Yamaha to be used with their silent electric guitar, that can either be used by battery or by wall plug.  I think that I paid $120 US second hand and another $30 for a cloth carrying case.  Power output is about 5 Watts.

There are several things you can do to improve the sound of an inexpensive electric violin.  Look up the key words “silk purse electric violin” to find a series of posts on another violin forum.  Very easy to do and beneficial.

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I just bought a Digitech RP55. It's cheap enough (in fact, the UK prices seem cheaper than the USA prices) - I don't mind if it's just a toy. My EV arrived. I've set it up, but not not yet put the battery in. The 5ft lead was missing, so I'll try it out with the headphones after I've eaten.

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If you bought a solid body ev, the piece under the bridge is a piezo transducer.  Only half of it is active.  With the bridge off, turn on the battery box and scratch the sensor (generally covered with a tube of shrink wrap) and make sure that the active half is under the bass (g string) foot of the bridge.  If not, it is rather easy to pull on it and swap it end for end.

Once you pull the pickup off the (generally plastic) base, look at what type of screws were used to secure the base.  The piezo works best when resting on a flat surface, and the Chinese typically use any available screw (at any convenient angle) on this hidden part.  Substitute flat head screws if you have to.

The bridge feet should be flat.  I have not found a bridge specifically made for this purpose, but it is relatively easy to use a chisel or fine sand paper to achieve the effect.  If the bridge has a logo, the logo should face the tail piece.  If the bridge lacks a logo, the face with a 90 degree angle to the feet goes toward the tail piece.

If you play in pubs, you may want to consider the purchase of a Glasser carbon fiber violin.  The cheapest I have found them is about $400 US, which is not bad considering that they come with Knilling planetary pegs and decent strings.  I would ditch the carbon tail piece since you don’t need fine tuners and replace it with a harp style ebony tail piece ($20 US).

The US second hand market has evaporated this month, likely due to possible sanctions with China.  A cheap second hand Cecilio Mendini MV 500 or a Cecilio CVA 500 14 inch viola strung as a violin are $50 US options which may work well for you.  I would not purchase a bow at an expense over $100 US if there was a likely hood of damage or theft.  The Fiddlerman carbon fiber bow is perfect for what you want to do.

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If you bought a solid body ev

I did. It's a solid maple skeleton painted black. (the make is Zest - it's a Chinese thing that cost about $100). The pegs are fabulous - very smooth and with imitation abalone and ebony inlay on the ends. Weird! I guess they are wood, but maybe they are resin.

I found out silent violins aren't silent - I've put a rubber mute on my silent violin, lol!

Well, it was just in case. It was midnight.

But it's good. It means I don't have to play fiddle with phones on all the time.

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I've played on so many effect processors but I enjoy the multi-effect processors the best. Only thing is that you can spend countless hours trying to find and form the coolest and best effects. 🙂
Octavizers are obviously a lot of fun since we are so used to playing high.

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@Irv,

the cable wasn't in the box, so the vendor sent one, but he sent the wrong one - he sent 1/4" to 1/4", whereas I need 3.5mm to 1/4". I guess the output is mono, but can you confirm? I noticed some Yamaha blurb where their line-out is stereo. The phones are stereo, but that's probably just for convenience, as mono phones probably aren't worth sourcing.

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Hi Andrew Fryer and others.  I don’t normally use an amp so I had to look at a cable to confirm.  It is mono.

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Andrew, read the channel options on the device to see if it's mono or stereo. Usually, if its stereo you have multiple options and can sometimes pan left and right. You might have multiple output options as well, for example, two RCA sockets next to the phono output.
Which product are your referring to?

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Fiddlerman said
Andrew, read the channel options on the device to see if it's mono or stereo. Usually, if its stereo you have multiple options and can sometimes pan left and right. You might have multiple output options as well, for example, two RCA sockets next to the phono output.
Which product are your referring to?  

It's just a basic $100 Chinese Zest EV. It has three 3.5mm sockets for phones, mic (?!) and line-out. It sounds like you are used to a more sophisticated EV! I've got a mono cable on order. If it's no good, I'll buy a stereo one.

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Your mono cable will work no matter what. You just won't get a right and left channel. What will you be connecting it to? If your connecting it to an amp, you'll be fine.
Some people buy stereo cables for mono outputs and wonder why they only hear one channel.

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Fiddlerman said
Your mono cable will work no matter what. You just won't get a right and left channel. What will you be connecting it to? If your connecting it to an amp, you'll be fine.
Some people buy stereo cables for mono outputs and wonder why they only hear one channel.  

Yeah, I've got a cheap bass guitar/amp combo. So I'll use the amp for the EV, and I'll get a Roland cube somewhen.

I think it's unlikely my EV has more than one channel.

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