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Exquisitely Patterned Wood for Bowed Instruments
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  1. What is so special about Flame Maple for Violins? 
  2. Are there special, physical properties associated with the Flame pattern, or can Birdseye or Lacey be substituted? 
  3. Are there other exquisitely patterned woods, similar in the density/quality of Maple? 
  4. Does stabilizing a burl knock it out of the running for use in making a violin?

I've asked a few of these questions elsewhere, but haven't really started to pursue answers... until I ran across this wonderful site (new to me), today - "Slight Violins". 

"Quilted Maple Violin"  

https://slightviolins.wordpres.....38;y=0  

I think I originally saw this (or similar article) about using Quilted Maple somewhere else (a while ago), but here's much more interesting info/articles here - "Case Treasures" (also, check out the back of this violin).  

https://slightviolins.wordpres.....easures/ 

Hope to find more about other wood used on acoustic, bowed instruments.  I really love the varied properties of wood species and their unique patterns - probably kinda weird for someone with a CF Violin... maybe some day I'll make my own of beautiful wood. 

I can dream! (lol)

A unique violin with back/sides made from camphor burl ...Image Enlarger- Emily 

Here's Camphor burl!

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id like to hear what a western red cedar top and indian rosewood back would sound like on a violin. 

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@GregW -

That could be an interesting/beautiful possibility!  

 

  Mangore | Bellucci Guitars - Indonesian Rosewood B&S ...

 

← This acoustic guitar has an Indonesian Rosewood burl top -but how does it sound? 

 

Love Spalted, too! Mangore | Bellucci Guitars - Highly Figured Spalted Mango ...Image Enlarger

 

And I've seen acoustic guitars made with Curly Redwood! 

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2026/2511/articles/Redwood-Curly-7-7-17_1024x1024.jpg?v=1554497251 

So, if it's good enough for acoustic guitar, is it good enough for violin?  

How about some wonderful Marquetry, or Intarsia work - does all the glue and/or interruption of woodgrain/density used to piece the design together change, or become detrimental to sound quality? 

 

Marquetry or Intarsia work?1903 W.R. MCCORD INLAID VIOLIN - OREGON MUSIC HISTORY!! | eBayImage Enlarger

 

Tinting is one thing, but hate when people try to pass off faux/painted wood grain as real/natural!  Truly believe faux painting effects should only be used where it's not possible to use the genuine material! 

- Emily

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https://sc.mogicons.com/share/drooling-emoticon-367.jpg

 

Okay, that's it... I'm drooling.

 

Gee, if I step up the physical therapy, slight chance I could get back to woodworking. (lol)

Since I'm just dreaming at the moment, my 1st project would be a violin! 

 

                                                ...don't laugh (too hard) - I got skills. 

 

                                                                          - Emily 

@GregW -

Thank you!  That is SUPER!

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@GregW - 

Thanx, Greg - the YouTube video of, "Rosin the Bow - A Fiddler's Journey through the World of the Violin Family" in your "Fiddle me This" thread, had some great stories! 

I loved the story how the gift of a fiddle-tune painting was unexpectedly reciprocated with a valuable piece of "Bear Claw" Spruce! 

"Bear Claw" Spruce is the figured form of "Sitka" Spruce. 

https://theukulelesite.com/media/catalog/product/cache/be57fbdcabebf7c6c005fcb12add4300/k/a/kanilea_k3-t_spruce4.jpg.jpg

 

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- Emily 

What about "Cat Claw" Spruce?

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I was compiling a list of wood and tree species the other day, but when I tried snakewood, I found that there were too many options. Anyone know which wood is used (for bows?) when snakewood is referred to?

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@Gordon Shumway -

The only snakewood I can find referenced everywhere for making bows is Brosimum guianense = Piratinera guianensis.  It's the species from South America, also known as Letterwood or Leopardwood. 

According to this database, Bloodwood (Brosimum rubescens) and Jicarillo (Brosimum spp.) are closely related to Snakewood - maybe worth looking into since Snakewood is so expensive. 

https://www.wood-database.com/.....akewood/ 

Snakewood (bookmatched)

 

- Emily

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Wiki isn't too bad for some things, but its snakewood entry lists at least three different families. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakewood

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@Gordon Shumway -

Yes, I guessed that was your source of reference, but I just couldn't find any bow maker's site/exotic wood site where any of those other species were ever mentioned/used specifically in making bows or musical instruments. 

I think you'll also find most of those other species have characteristics that make it pretty obvious why they aren't used for this purpose.

 

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ELCB said
I think you'll also find most of those other species have characteristics that make it pretty obvious why they aren't used for this purpose.

Yeah, if I'd read the whole wiki article methodically, but I was initially put off by the seeming confusion. Also, snakewood was merely an unimportant afterthought anyway - my real purpose was to double-check what someone had said about various acacias and maples.

Andrew

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