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GregW
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Put some Kaplan Amos on today.  I requested the tailpiece that requires standing on your head and using toothpicks to secure the strings in the fine tuner locking groove when I bought the violin.  Shouldve went with what they suggested which was the composite tailpiece.  I think the composite was suggested because the fine tuners adjust synthetic strings better not anything to do with string installation though. If I fed the strings from the bottom of the tailpiece the colored thread was too thick to pull up through the groove.  The ball end just kept popping out.  Finally went from the top and somehow was able to use a toothpick and push the string into the groove so it would stay locked.  Might be the way the thread on these particular strings was wrapped...OR plain ol operator error.  Anyway.. They sound like new strings.  The G seems to have a little more ummph or growl and the e maybe softer with a nice ring. It has a nice sound.  I can't remember what my old strings sound like now other than they were starting to feel muted so can't say more in the way of comparison :/ 🙂 the violin does seem to vibrate more when playing but Id say most new strings would do that.  Hopefully they'll settle in ok.  For the price I'm not sure if I shouldve just went the zyex route, but Ive been wanting to try these so curiosity quenched.

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I was wanting to try them on my violin. Since I lost the violin instructor and am not taking cello lessons, I have been paying attention to cello strings, i did buy some Kaplan strings for my cello. Haven't put them on yet, got them Friday, waiting for the current strings to wear out. Hope that happens soon. I am not a fan of them.

I have other strings to try in my vioin before I buy any more, i have a package of Zyex and Fiddlerman to use before I buy any more.

Let us know how you like them. I am really curious. The write up for the Amo sounds like what I like to hear from my violin.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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@GregW .  A photo of your tailpiece solution would be appreciated.  I saw a photo once in a parent’s guide for violins which showed the string ball ends supported on the upper surface of a tailpiece (no clue as to which book and I never could find again).  Your remedy sounds similar.

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@GregW 

I requested the tailpiece that requires standing on your head and using toothpicks to secure the strings in the fine tuner locking groove when I bought the violin. 

What? I tried googling odd violin tailpieces in a variety of ways but kept seeing normal ones. What kind of tailpiece is it? I can’t picture it.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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@Irv and @cid it is similar to a hill.  I'm sure I made it harder than need be but I did try suggeations in this video.  The smaller notch or channel you see was so narrow on mine that the strings wouldn't pull through once it reached the threaded part close to the ball.  Had to apply pressure with a toothpick ( just something I decided to use since wood and about the correct size.) To push string into slot.  Probably a better way but its what I did.

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What is the purpose of the more difficult tailpiece, in non-technical terms? Does it really make that big of whatever difference it does make? Just wondering.

I guess I am just wondering why this tailpiece would be better, especially given it is iffy for some of lower register strings to actually fit the small slot allowed for the ball end string to go.

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cid said

What is the purpose of the more difficult tailpiece, in non-technical terms? Does it really make that big of whatever difference it does make? Just wondering.

I guess I am just wondering why this tailpiece would be better, especially given it is iffy for some of lower register strings to actually fit the small slot allowed for the ball end string to go.

  

I just wanted to try it out and it was easier to have it installed when I ordered the violin.  I had gotten something about them in my head from reading internet articles probably.  No real world experience to base any type of desciin on.  Just wanted to start off with one on my new violin.

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Gotcha.  I do that sometimes. 

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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Thanks for the response, @GregW .  I will actively avoid the purchase of that tail piece.  

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@Irv  no problem.  And to be fair its the fine tuners not so much the tailpiece...which isn't a hill brand just style.  Its not the exact one in the video.  They suggested going with composite since I wanted 4 tuners but I insited.  Moral...listen to the experts.  But...I could have just been overly cautious when trying to get strings to set.   I'm sure its a great tailpiece when used in the right application also..to be honest the pegs work greaton the soloist and stay in tune.  Very seldom are any adjustmenta needed except e and then sometimes A string.   The G and d hold pretty steady.

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@GregW - Which tailpiece do you have?
With the removable fine tuners, it's common to have to speed the forks to get the string in between. They come too tight.

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@fiddlerman thinking maybe it is called pusch...does that sou d right?  Good to know though and thanks.  What do you use to spread the forks?  I was afraid to get too rough with them.

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I remember the pusch tailpieces. We don't sell them anymore as we feel they are a bit steep.
I use the tip of a soundpost adjuster.

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Fiddlerman said
I remember the pusch tailpieces. We don't sell them anymore as we feel they are a bit steep.

I use the tip of a soundpost adjuster.

  

Thanks!  I think at the time you were out of the other style so you swapped with this one free.  Its good just wasn't familiar with having to spread forks so it makes sense now.  Thanks again!

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