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Kaplan Non-Whistling E string
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Have any of you had any experience with the Kaplan Non-Whistling E string? 

Is it as advertised, non-whistling? 

Thanks.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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Fiddlerman
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February 15, 2019 - 7:53 pm
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I feel that they are not quite as strong as I would have them be. They seem to be missing something. My favorite two E strings are first Westminster and then Lenzner.

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Bummer. I just ordered them. I am probably not as hard on the strings though. I have developed a whistle and it is very annoying. 😉

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February 15, 2019 - 8:40 pm
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You may like them. I have heard many people say that they like them.

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Fiddlerman said
You may like them. I have heard many people say that they like them.  

Fiddlerman.. Do those people tend to fall into any style of playing?  Classical/bluegrass/irish/old time...was wondering if its a go to for a certain style.

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@GregW Fiddlerman has a video with a comparison of the Fiddlerman strings to Dominants. Many times the videos with strings I have sound nothing like those strings sound on my violin. I think most use a brighter violin, and maybe the sound is toyed with, and my bowing is doing it. My Rudoulf Doesch is warm or mellow. On my violin, those Fiddlerman strings sound pretty close to what I get on my violin. Don’t know if that means anything, but thought I would mention it for you. So, maybe that video will give you an accurate or pretty accurate sample of the sound of those strings.

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February 16, 2019 - 2:39 am
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cid said
Have any of you had any experience with the Kaplan Non-Whistling E string? 

Is it as advertised, non-whistling? 

Thanks.  

Hi @cid - I use the Kaplan E - and honestly - I have NEVER had it whistle back at me.  I do find it a somewhat difficult match with other strings - it can (to my ear) be - well - I'm trying to find a word - it's not "shrill" - let me keep at this - it maybe "lacks the presence and depth" of other E's - oh - reading back - maybe that's what Pierre meant when he wrote "I feel that they are not quite as strong as I would have them be" - not necessarily referring to their physical strength ????  I don't know if that's what he meant or not - but - yes- to me it "lacks presence and depth" / "is not as strong" ....  dunno  But, as I say, it never whistles !!!

By the way, having mentioned the whistling problem, I have gone back to a standard E on one of my instruments (all Amo strings), and yes, occasionally, I'll get the whistle, but it occurs very infrequently - clearly what is now an improved bowing "attack/approach" to the E string has more or less resolved the problem, but habit keeps me using the Kaplan wound E on the other instruments now that I'm used to (but not 100% happy with, as mentioned) the sound...

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@BillyG You said, “maybe that's what Pierre meant when he wrote "I feel that they are not quite as strong as I would have them be" - not necessarily referring to their physical strength ???? ”

I suspect you were right. When @Fiddlerman said that, I was thinking the string’s ability to break easily. I am not a strong player, in either use of “strong”. Did you see the video I finally posted in the Critique section, Lullaby? I don’t play with a lot of strength, as you and Fiddlerman are most likely referring to when saying a string is strong. I don’t know if I had a whistling E in that song recording. Sure, the one time I get the courage to post a video, an issue that might have been able to have been helped, if it had appeared, does not appear. If you listen to it, please listen for any whistling, as well as the phrasing I was asking about, My bowing was off when I did it, so maybe there is a whistle, and maybe the bowing will give a sign as to why.

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BillyG said

it's not "shrill" - let me keep at this - it maybe "lacks the presence and depth" of other E's - oh - reading back - maybe that's what Pierre meant...

That's why my fiddle teacher likes them, she hates the sound of the E string, and uses the Kaplan because it's more mellow. She did come from a background in viola, so I think that is why she hates the E string?

I don't mind the Kaplan, I think I stick to it mostly because I like the feel of it. When I've tried other E strings I feel like they are going to slice through my fingers, haha, this one is more gentle on my fingers (which is a weird reason to like an E string, but I have yet to get any calluses on my fingers, I don't know why, so sliding up the e during shifting exercises can hurt, haha).

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Fiddlerman.. Do those people tend to fall into any style of playing?  Classical/bluegrass/irish/old time...was wondering if its a go to for a certain style.  

My fiddle teacher is mainly a bluegrass fiddler, but does the rounds playing Irish tunes for St. Patrick's day gigs., too.

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@damfino “I don't mind the Kaplan, I think I stick to it mostly because I like the feel of it. When I've tried other E strings I feel like they are going to slice through my fingers, haha, this one is more gentle on my fingers (which is a weird reason to like an E string, but I have yet to get any calluses on my fingers, I don't know why, so sliding up the e during shifting exercises can hurt, haha).”

Maybe try doing a cello for a while. You will most likely get callouses. laugh

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@damfino - yeah LOL 

I don't mind the Kaplan, I think I stick to it mostly because I like the feel of it. When I've tried other E strings I feel like they are going to slice through my fingers, haha, this one is more gentle on my fingers (which is a weird reason to like an E string, but I have yet to get any calluses on my fingers, I don't know why, so sliding up the e during shifting exercises can hurt, haha).

 I understand that totally !  🙂   Although, I don't have an issue in the same way (steel-strung guitar, lots of sliding fingers, nice callouses !)  But yeah, that can dig-in to the fingers !

I think my own issue is "trying to find a balance" with other strings - I've fitted the Kaplan E on my 3/4 ( which is Prelude steels other than the E ) - and it just sounds pretty much perfect - basically "the way the overall instrument  should sound for an old-time-fiddle sort of genre"  - but - against the Amo strings on the MJZ and the Fiddlerman ( and Dominants ) on the Concert - it just feels out of place in brightness  (or something I can't quite describe) - something isn't there (for my ear) - but - as I say - happy to live with it - it's no biggy !   

Ha!  I say that (happy to live with it) - but oddly - I often drop some tunes by a 5th simply to avoid the E, which although it doesn't whistle - just (to me) seems not to match the overall tonal quality ( be that good or bad - all I want is consistency ) across the lower 3 strings - so THERE'S a thing, interesting - never really thought about it that way before - it was just that the"lower register sounded better" (although, with old, and aging ears here, there could be other contributing factors to my sound-perception LOLOL )

Perhaps I should spend more time playing Yabé ( the 3/4 Prelude steel strung + Kaplan E e-bay fiddle ) to really get that feel of consistency I like, and then more closely analyse how I can either (a) get a good match with some synthetics, or (b) ditch the Kaplan E for a while as I try other E's....   I do have a Lenzer-E spare, I should maybe fit it...  I got it 2nd hand - so it's "used" - but I definitively know its provenance - not much more than 100 hours playing time, and it's sitting there....  Too many things to do - need to FOCUS and just DO it... 🙂

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Greetings string geeks.

Does anyone have a clue how the famous Kaplan E compares to Warchal's Amber E...

... this one that can double as a birth control method if you don't like it on your violin?