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QUOTE from "Ashokan Farewell" thread

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And Eva Pirazzi Gold are even better. 🙂

Someday, you may also want to try Peter Infeld PI100.

  

@Fiddlerman I'm moving my query from another thread to here to make the subject match the subject of my query.

EP (Green) don't seem to last very long for me (1 month!). I eat aluminum D and A strings for snacks it seems 🙁 I really like the EP sound on the new violin I bought from you, but the strings just don't last.

I've previously tried the Piranto you recommended, but don't really like the sound. I've now got a Thomastik Rondo chrome A, and I expect it to last longer, but again, I'm not thrilled with the sound. 

SOOOO 🙂 What do you suggest I can try to have strings that sound as good as EP, but will last at least 6 months for me?

I'd like a non-aluminum winding around a synthetic (or gut?) core. I can deal with silver wrapped D's, but not sure silver would be a good choice for the smaller A string. 

It's not like I play several hours each day. Normally I practice 1-2 hours in the afternoons after all my chores are done. I'd expect to get at least 6 months on a set of strings instead of the 1 month to 6 weeks I currently get 🙁

Any suggestions will be appreciated.

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Bob in Lone Oak, Texas

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I have a Fiddlershop soloist and noticed the same thing about my EP E string, I use dominants for the other three and plan on swapping out the E string the week before my summer and Christmas concerts. I feel it’s more economical to replace one instead of four. My 2 cents worth.

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Yep, Evah Pirazzi strings don't last long at all.

If you're looking for a string with similar sound to EP but longer lasting, consider Vision Solo, which is sometimes described as "a poor man's Evah Pirazzi" (though the "poor man" in question evidently can't be that poor, Vision Solos are still in the upper-middle price range).

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I have so little knowledge of strings.  I really wish I knew more.  Part of my problem is I only have my own violin as a reference.  I really have not had a lot of experience playing on other instruments and other strings.

My violin has Pirastro Violino strings.  They sound amazing on my violin, for the type of sound, resonance, and tone my violin can produce, these strings perform very well.  They hold their tune quite well also.  I will probably always play on these strings on this violin.

I do not know much about other strings.  It is expensive for me to try out others, and since I am very happy with these, I do not see the need to put the expense into trying out another string.

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Violino Strings are very nice sounding strings.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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They sound amazing...  they are not the cheapest...but also not the most expensive either.  For the quality, they are priced nicely in my opinion.

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@x Coach I used to use Dominants on my violins, but the new violin I got (actually a "used" violin) sounded so great with EP that I was hoping to find something similar. I may go back to Dominants in the end 🙂

@AndrewH I wish there was a set that didn't have aluminum windings, but didn't see it. I'm going to definitely keep Vision Solo's on my list.

@Pete_Violin @cid the Violino look interesting and their price doesn't choke me up so much as EP and the Solo's 🙂 I may start with them.

I think I'm going to have to change my diet and start eating less spicy food. The acid from the food must be finding its way to my fingers! Unfortunately my wife is from Indonesia and for the past 40+ years I've become addicted to Sambal Uelek (good hot stuff) 🙂

Thanks guys (love this forum) 🙂

Bob in Lone Oak, Texas

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@bob

If you're looking for a warm, deep tone, the Violino is a great choice.  But again... it's all I know.

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Yep, they are warm on my violin. Like a lower priced Pirastro Obligato. Very nice strings. Check around for sales. I believe I got mine when Fiddlerman has them in sale, if I remember correctly.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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Oh, the Violinos are nice to the touch and nice to play on. I have had some strings that just fought me when bowing.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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Just keep in mind that Violino is at the opposite end of the spectrum from what you're using now. Just as Vision Solo is sometimes referred to as the poor man's Evah Pirazzi, Violino is sometimes referred to as the poor man's Obligato.

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AndrewH said
Just keep in mind that Violino is at the opposite end of the spectrum from what you're using now. Just as Vision Solo is sometimes referred to as the poor man's Evah Pirazzi, Violino is sometimes referred to as the poor man's Obligato.

  

That is true. I tend to gravitate towards warm sounds.

If you do not want a warm sound and you already have a rather warm sounding violin, I would stay away from Violino.

If you have a slightly over bright violin and want to tone it down, since it is just slightly over bright, I would try the Fiddlerman strings. They have a really nice quality sound.

If your violin is really beyond the over bright you want and you want it warmed down a lot more, I would try Violino. 

If your violin is bright enough and you want to keep it that way, maybe try Pirastro Tonica or Jargar strings. 

Your violin/bowing/rosin combination may not respond to the strings the way our violin/bowing/rosin combination does, but these are starting points.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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That is a very tough question. I guess I never gave it that much thought.
I would say that Zyex is a tough and durable string but perhaps not on the same level.
Have you tried the Larsen strings? There are so many great ones. Can't say how durable they are.
I agree that aluminum wound strings don't last all that long with acidy fingers such as mine. For that reason, I usually choose the silver wound option as well.
Have you tried Obligato?

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Fiddlerman said
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I agree that aluminum wound strings don't last all that long with acidy fingers such as mine. For that reason, I usually choose the silver wound option as well.

Have you tried Obligato?

  

Do  you mean silver A-strings? I'm not sure how durable they might be, but have never seen one. I've used silver (Dominant) D-strings, but always Al wound A-strings.

I haven't tried Obligato strings. Do the come with silver D-strings?

Thanks

Bob in Lone Oak, Texas

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I use a Larsen A string on my viola and have more acidic fingers than average. The Larsen A lasts longer than my Vision C, G, and D strings, so I believe Larsen is worth a try.

 

I'm only referring to the standard Larsen string. I've heard that Larsen Il Cannone is not durable at all, but this is secondhand information.

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Bob said

Fiddlerman said

I agree that aluminum wound strings don't last all that long with acidy fingers such as mine. For that reason, I usually choose the silver wound option as well.

Have you tried Obligato?

Do  you mean silver A-strings? I'm not sure how durable they might be, but have never seen one. I've used silver (Dominant) D-strings, but always Al wound A-strings.

I haven't tried Obligato strings. Do the come with silver D-strings?

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Sorry, yes I was referring to D and G strings.

Obligato sets are available with a silver D as well. 🙂

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Bob said
I eat aluminum D and A strings for snacks it seems 🙁

  

Hello!

I would like to point out that Evah Pirazzi D violin strings are silver wound, correct me if I am wrong...

So if your string windings are "eaten" by sweat and everything else there is on your fingers, and you like the sound of a particular set maybe there could be another option...

Do you clean your stings? If so, how? I find that sometimes cleaning the strings may prolong their lifespan...

If you want to experiment with strings and if the windings are the issue, maybe you could try plain gut strings? I have no experience with them, so somebody else could give an opinion on them...I just thought that if the windings are the problem, then no windings - no problem...Yet, I believe that most plain gut sets come with a silver wound G...

Regarding the Evah Pirazzi Gold and the PI, according to my experience they do not sound like Evah Pirazzi but they somehow share some "similar" attributes like being powerful, they have "big" sound and they can stand lots of bow pressure. All three of them are very very good 🙂

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@Hermes yes, the Evah Pirazzi D is indeed silver, the A-string is my main problem with the EP, but I did wear out the D string also, but I'm not sure how long it had been on the violin (bought used) before I got it.

My experience is with several other brands that included aluminum D and A string. I can't get much longevity out of these.

I clean my strings and fingerboard with a microfiber cloth after each use. I don't want to use any solvents after seeing the results shown by Bohdan Warchal at https://www.warchal.com/faq/wh.....rings.html

Yes, I have an old (20 yrs!) gut A-string that I occasionally use when I've run out of wound sythetics. It does the job, but on my other fiddles, it didn't sound right. 

I traveled to the Dallas area today and visited Jay Rury violin shop and discussed strings with Duncan (Jay's partner). I was trying to decide between the Larsen and the Vision Solo and since they didn't have the Larsen in stock I bought a set of the VS.  He through in a Pirastro Eudoxa Chromcor "just-in-case". My experience with the Rondo chrome hasn't been especially pleasant though. 

Put the Vision Solo on after I got back home and I'm really happy with the sound I get on my new violin. Now I hope I'll get several months out of them. 

Thanks for all the help.

Bob in Lone Oak, Texas

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