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BillyG
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As ever, noodling around on fiddle.  Done the scales I need to refresh, and arpeggios.  Never perfect, but - well I don't need perfection - close enough is good enough ! ( you know - old dog - new tricks - d'oh )

Played through a few "goto tunes".

Got bored.

Thought - "Compose a new tune, been a while...."

So - quite quickly - I come up with a nice little tune.  It's a hornpipe ( I was in a kind of happy, jiggity-jiggity, quick-march, "move it on" kind of mood ) and I ended up with a nice playable little tune.  I say it's a hornpipe - but - I still have my reservations about that description.

Been trying to commit it to sheet (and spent more time trying to do THAT, than playing it) and I just can't get the timing (of what I'm playing) to fall into place - and I'm most certainly not going to "force it to fit" a certain time signature. 

Everyone ( well, everything I've read ) tells me a hornpipe is 4/4 time.  Hmmmmmm...  Then, I recalled a certain piece ( although I don't play classical - I do listen to a lot of classical music ) - and if 3/2 time was good enough for Mr G. F. Händel in his "Alla Hornpipe" piece  - man - it's good enough for me !!!! ROFL

Back to MuseScore then and "be relaxed" about the time signature....  still working on it though !

I'll have a few more play-throughs later today to get the overall "feel" tightened up to how I like it and I'll post a vid.  If ( well, I mean WHEN ) I commit it to sheet, I'll share that with you as well !

Happy day here !

 

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I believe some rules, especially ones that dictate what must be done in art, etc., are meant to be broken and explored. Go for it.

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Mouse said
I believe some rules, especially ones that dictate what must be done in art, etc., are meant to be broken and explored. Go for it.

LOL @Mouse aka @Mouse - that's the truth !

And I shall !!!

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@BillyG, Will we see a video of you playing it and dancing a hornpipe? saint_patricks_day

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( have given you 5 stars because I love creativity and you rock with breaking the rules! I was not a rebel when younger.

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🙂  Big Smiles !

There'll be a vid - as for the dancing - well I DO move a lot on playing a lively tune, but, the actual dancing whilst playing - nah - that's beyond my capabilities !  Sorry LOL!

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Well, I guess I will have to use my imagination. I do look forward to your hornpipe video. Cool.

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( have given you 5 stars because I love creativity and you rock with breaking the rules! I was not a rebel when younger.

Rebel, rebel...  only way to be... ( growing old disgracefully here... )

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Hey! 

Folk music has historically been written with the understanding it is to be interpreted by the player!

Maybe you could just add enough written instructions (in English - doesn't have to be Italian) like other composers do - to make your intent more clear? 

 

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sounds like a fun challenge @billyg.  for the midi you could just adjust the swing percentage in the notation software before you output it.  you might experiment with selecting which notes to apply the swing to.  maybe 2 & 4 beats?  Im thinking that would work better than odd time signatures.  If I saw sheet music for a tune in 4/4 with hornpipe in the title..I would associate the feel with other tunes and probably come close to what you intended I think.  assuming it is a hornpipe and not that in name only.   The problem I have when playing is making reels sound like hornpipes.  facepalm  among other things ..violin-studentblink

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.....Maybe you could just add enough written instructions (in English - doesn't have to be Italian) like other composers do - to make your intent more clear?   

Och aye, ah dinnae ken aboot that, lassie, cuid fair easy cam oot in broaaaad Scots, but aye, ah'll gie it a go.

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sounds like a fun challenge @billyg.  for the midi you could just adjust the swing percentage in the notation software before you output it.  you might experiment with selecting which notes to apply the swing to.  maybe 2 & 4 beats?  Im thinking that would work better than odd time signatures.  If I saw sheet music for a tune in 4/4 with hornpipe in the title..I would associate the feel with other tunes and probably come close to what you intended I think.  assuming it is a hornpipe and not that in name only.   The problem I have when playing is making reels sound like hornpipes.  facepalm  among other things ..violin-studentblink  

@GregW - LOL - I know what you mean!  I wrote another tune, supposedly a waltz in 3/4 (well it WAS when I started it) - turns out, it's really a slow march....   

It's always the same though, once you come up with a little riff or tune motif - then build around it - it just evolves and seems to take on a life of its own.  It certainly initially felt like a hornpipe (hence the preliminary title) - but - we'll see, we'll see...  Only played the piece around 30 times so far, and yes, exactly that - during that short time, it has evolved/mutated into something that's now pretty much "settled down".  So... let's see what comes out !

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@BillyG -

I've always been interested in forms of music notation for visual artistic purposes and maybe I should change my user name, being the Mischief-Maker I seem...  

I suppose I have nothing new to offer all you "techie" guys (sigh).  "A different way to visualize rhythm".

 

IRIS - https://aaltodoc.aalto.fi/bits.....quence=1 

 

Aside from aesthetic value - purely practical, I wonder if either "Klavarskribo" or "Global" musical notation will ever become more popular... some pluses, but not like anyone needs more to congest the brain while busy composing music! 

https://bestanimations.com/Music/Notation/music-notes-animated-gif-3.gif

 

- Emily

 

btw, Billy, LOVE ALL lessons you'd care to share in "Broaaaad Scots"!  I didn't know (until today) that "Scots Leid" is a separate West Germanic language, not just slang!  Feeling a little déjà vu, so forgive my senior moment if we've already discussed this topic (lol).😁

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Well, @ELCB - interesting vid on rhythms. Definitely (to me) a new way of conceptualizing and visualising rhythmic structure - and I kind of like it !

You'll note the ( ??? Possibly... ) in the thread title....   well, the little riff I came up with originally had a 4/4 hornpipe "feel" to it, but, it wasn't really sitting well with me.  Besides, I wasn't really working to a design that said "you must write a hornpipe - and as a fiddle tune, it should be 4/4 with 8 bar-long A and B parts" - that was never how it started !

So - I haven't recorded it yet, simply because I am committing it to sheet, and there is  some minor tidying-up to do.  Progress has been held up as well due to a leaking roof, the result of which is damage to ceiling plasterboard in a small hallway....  grrrr...  Roof's not fixed yet, but I hauled off the damaged area,, removed the sodden glass-wool insulation, put up a plastic sheet in the loft-void and connected to a hose to catch and drain any further ingress while I work over the roof with a hosepipe to determine the area that's causing the problem.  Inspection shows nothing evident, so I expect the hose-pipe test will uncover something.  So right now, temporarily boarded over the ceiling area, and here's my catchment mechanism !  Back to the tune soon though !!! 

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My-o-my, aren't we innovative here & more than your fair share of bad luck, this past year, too!

I never expect insurance to cover anything I need (grumble) - doesn't usually cover roof damage here unless there's signs of damage inside the home, like the ceiling - think you're covered!

About the rhythm of your tune - are you planning for it to be used for a particular dance, ie; "hornpipe" or "air", etc...? 

Or, am I right to understand you'll just annotate what you hear/feel without the constraints of a catagory? 

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💖 I love how rhythm represents the 4th Dimension of Space (Time)... sounds in time.

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OK - so - here's the promised tune - it kind of sounds like this.

This is a first full-way through recording - it suffers from the "camera-red-light-is-on" syndrome and I've lost the plot on bow control....  no matter - it's got the overall feel of the tune - there'll be a cleaned-up version soon....

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BillyG said
Well, @ELCB - interesting vid on rhythms. Definitely (to me) a new way of conceptualizing and visualising rhythmic structure - and I kind of like it !

You'll note the ( ??? Possibly... ) in the thread title....   well, the little riff I came up with originally had a 4/4 hornpipe "feel" to it, but, it wasn't really sitting well with me.  Besides, I wasn't really working to a design that said "you must write a hornpipe - and as a fiddle tune, it should be 4/4 with 8 bar-long A and B parts" - that was never how it started !

So - I haven't recorded it yet, simply because I am committing it to sheet, and there is  some minor tidying-up to do.  Progress has been held up as well due to a leaking roof, the result of which is damage to ceiling plasterboard in a small hallway....  grrrr...  Roof's not fixed yet, but I hauled off the damaged area,, removed the sodden glass-wool insulation, put up a plastic sheet in the loft-void and connected to a hose to catch and drain any further ingress while I work over the roof with a hosepipe to determine the area that's causing the problem.  Inspection shows nothing evident, so I expect the hose-pipe test will uncover something.  So right now, temporarily boarded over the ceiling area, and here's my catchment mechanism !  Back to the tune soon though !!! 

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Very nice! Looking forward to the more practiced version.

A quick note on Handel and 3/2 hornpipes: his Alla Hornpipe movement confused me for a while too, because I was under the impression that the hornpipe was in 4/4. So a year or two ago I spent some time looking for information on the hornpipe, and it turns out that it isn't a single dance form. There were several regional versions of the hornpipe, some in common time and some in triple time (the latter most prevalent in northern England). Triple-time hornpipes gradually lost favor in the 19th century, but evolved into the slip jig in Ireland.

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nice one @billyg !  so does that fit the requirements of the composer badge? thumbs-up

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