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... and the last one - promise :-) :

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Funny, I was alternate concert master in this orchestra when I first moved to Sweden for 4 years and the guy who arranged this piece is the brother of a neighbor and friend of mine. They are both great composers, arrangers and musicians.

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Ok here is My set Ready to go of oriental music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....B0dJtFPT8g

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... and the last one - promise :-) :

@Fiddlerman I see alot in oriental music and this video alot of ornaments played without even thinking about it which requires technique can you make us a tutorial how to do such ornaments and exercises to the hand to make it in such a beautiful way without thinking .
thanks

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Fiddlerman said
Funny, I was alternate concert master in this orchestra when I first moved to Sweden for 4 years and the guy who arranged this piece is the brother of a neighbor and friend of mine. They are both great composers, arrangers and musicians.

Yes, I know you have been the concertmaster of Gävle Symphony Orchestra, which made it extra fun :-) to post this video (i.e. Symphonic Stomp of Sweden on previous page). 

I was at the Stockholm Folk Festival last weekend when they together with the fiddler Görgen Antonsson performed the entire Symphonic Stomp suite for the first time in public. It was really good. Probably the first time a symphony orchestra has played at this type of festival. 

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@Fiddlerman I see alot in oriental music and this video alot of ornaments played without even thinking about it which requires technique can you make us a tutorial how to do such ornaments and exercises to the hand to make it in such a beautiful way without thinking .
thanks

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This type of ornaments are really common in Swedish folk music. 

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@hackeman  @Fiddlerman 
^^ anyway 
1- how to think about it 
2- how to do it
3- techniques and exercises to do them all

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@ John Rafeek, in order for me to answer those questions it would be helpful if you were very specific. I don't know where to begin otherwise. For example, you can ask me how to achieve the measures played from X:XX to X:XX.

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@Fiddlerman 
I just mean ornaments in General

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I may do that. Q & A - Video question if you are into it.

In any case, check out this video with a lot of ornaments. You can specify a particular ornament if you like.

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@Fiddlerman to be more specific check the ornaments in the first video for example i picked up a short video  the first one is rich of what I'm talking about if you don't have much time for the second just check the first and I don't mean glissando and portamento I mean the ornaments in the notes itself how to get that technique and feeling if you understand what I mean 

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@Fiddlerman and here is another one full of the type of ornaments I'm talking about
it happens rapidly naturally after practicing techniques and exercise what are those techniques and exercises .like your casaradas video for example
and sorry for wasting your time 

 

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You have so many in those examples. You have regular vibrato. Super slow and wide vibrato. turns, trills, slides, bow petting (play and release). I know you said that it is not the slides but it could be a number of other things.
Maybe you can give me the exact seconds and the notes being played. :)
Don't concern yourself with wasting my time. ;) It's my pleasure.

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I don't mean an exact movement or exact second 
what i mean is how to do this mixture between those all 
techniques exercises and thinking how to mix them in that way
i also notice that that mixture is very repeated in so many pieces Ornaments in that way exactly.

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I'm really no expert in "Persian" violin playing, but I am a good imitator. I don't know if I would be qualified to make such a video compared to the authentic players. In one way, I would feel like a fraud. The one thing that is clear by listening to these musicians is that they use a lot of dynamics and take advantage of the instruments characteristics very well.
If you make a Q & A, I'll definitely respond but please choose a "small" excerpt in your video as an example. NOT LONG.... If it is long, I am force to talk so much. I have trouble keeping videos short. When you see cuts in my videos it's usually because I just kept on rambling on and on..... ;)

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@Fiddlerman 
u just answered my first question "that they use a lot of dynamics and take advantage of the instruments characteristics very well. - " BTW that aint Persian .

second question is simply how they do that and mix them all and ornaments stuff either and with techniques how simply the do very very fast ornaments with there left hand ??
if you know what i mean

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By ornaments, you are referring to the turns?

Sorry for not knowing what the style of music is called but you are more than welcome to tell me. :)

With turns, you can practice different patterns in sequence. You can play one turn starting with the 1st finger, then 2nd, then 3rd.... and play a scale doing a turn on each note up and down the scale to get used to doing them quickly and naturally. At first it will be clumsy but eventually it will smooth out and become a part of your playing. Speed comes with practice and remember to keep your fingers close to the fingerboard, not to lift too high.

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@Fiddlerman 
the 3 videos are oriental style
and I can't imagine turns in my brain i think i might have watched a video for you explaining this but idk which one if you can tell me i will be so grateful 
thank you

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Please do me a favor and give me some seconds on the video's you are wondering about a certain embellishment/ornament and we'll discuss each one by itself. It'll be easier this way.
A turn is when you play a note and go above, on, below, and back on again. Usually done very quickly and there are different ways where you don't necessarily play in the fore mentioned order. See wiki's illustration.

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I like the idea of a front porch jam. 

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