Welcome to our forum. A Message To Our New and Prospective Members . Check out our Forum Rules. Lets keep this forum an enjoyable place to visit.

AAA
Avatar
Please consider registering
guest
sp_LogInOut Log Insp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
sp_Feed Topic RSSsp_TopicIcon
Ecclesiastical Christmas Music
Can't Fiddlers play what people sing?
Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 (0 votes) 
Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
December 2, 2021 - 1:06 am
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 5948
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

https://images.tuckdb.org/postcards/images/000/136/503/original/2011_09_23_16_35_11.jpg      https://webstockreview.net/images/christmas-holly-border-png-10.png         

I think it's been proven, a great example might be Carnatic or Klezmer fiddlers, that we are capable of playing music traditionally sung. 

...just thought it would be nice to keep in mind if you happen to hear something extraordinarily beautiful this Holiday Season! 

Play it on your Violin, Viola or Cello! 

Here's a great BBC documentary on early Christmas music, "Sacred Music At Christmas - A Christmas History", also talks about written finds in Egypt - the Oxyrhynchus Papyri.

 

Some of the music links:

Verbum Caro (chant)

Magnum Mysterium

2. Gloria

In Dulce Jubilo

In the Bleak Midwinter

There is a Flower

Avatar
Gordon Shumway
London, England
Members

Regulars
December 2, 2021 - 4:18 am
Member Since: August 1, 2016
Forum Posts: 2251
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

With apologies, I've got to rain on your parade a little bit, having passed a postgraduate course unit in Greek papyrology.

It's a methodological question - oxyrhychus was literally a rubbish tip, so do its contents represent their culture, or what they rejected from it (this question has always to be asked with one's tongue slightly in one's cheek)?

A further bit of negativity is that the reconstruction sounded a bit too ET to my ears - the notation certainly doesn't give the pitches of the notes in the mode that was used.

(and in case you were wondering who Origen was)

Andrew

Avatar
Gordon Shumway
London, England
Members

Regulars
December 2, 2021 - 7:33 am
Member Since: August 1, 2016
Forum Posts: 2251
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Actually the other day I discovered some notes that I had forgotten about.

In the middle ages the only four modes that were ever used for plainchant were: -

Dorian (start on D), Phrygian (start on E), Lydian (start on F) and Mixolydian (start on G).

The rest, A (Aeolian), B (Locrian), C (Ionian) were known of, but not used, A and C (our modern scales) not until much later and Locrian never.

If this is new to you, you can get a mod to transfer it somewhere better. Otoh, there's probably so much on modes on this forum that it won't be possible.

Andrew

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
December 2, 2021 - 7:40 am
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 5948
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000198153518-nucbcl-t500x500.jpg

@Gordon Shumway -

That's an interesting couple of points - I personally don't see how they can get anything accurate from all those tiny pieces of papyrus, but that subject you refer to is less than 6 minutes of the whole hour video! 

It's worth watching the rest of the video AND all this music would sound great on the violin! 

Are you playing or learning any Christmas or 'Holiday Season' music right now? 

- Emily 

 

P.S. good note on modes - you should mention that in the Music Theory "Scales, Modes, Keys" thread, for people to reference.

Avatar
Gordon Shumway
London, England
Members

Regulars
December 2, 2021 - 7:48 am
Member Since: August 1, 2016
Forum Posts: 2251
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

ELCBK said
Are you playing or learning any Christmas or 'Holiday Season' music right now? 

This is the closest I get (we would be doing an arrangement for string orchestra and choir if there were any gigs).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....._(Tavener)

Not to be confused with

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.....n_Taverner

Andrew

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
December 2, 2021 - 8:05 am
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 5948
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7b/bc/66/7bbc66545f149915e74aa7f8156a7eb2.jpg

@Gordon Shumway -

That's pretty amazing! 

I've never heard it before and it sure has some unusual harmony - took me by surprise & I like it! 

Thank you! 

I hope you get to play it & not just practice. 

- Emily  

 

 

Avatar
Gordon Shumway
London, England
Members

Regulars
December 2, 2021 - 8:12 am
Member Since: August 1, 2016
Forum Posts: 2251
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
Forum Timezone: America/New_York
Most Users Ever Online: 696
Currently Online: Mark
Guest(s) 59
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Members Birthdays
sp_BirthdayIcon
Today None
Upcoming Kevin M., NewFiddlerGirl, Soldier, srogers, rlaggart, Deltatango95, derpyviolinist, bus4us5, WynterSkye
Top Posters:
ELCBK: 5948
ABitRusty: 3010
Mad_Wed: 2849
Barry: 2687
Fiddlestix: 2647
Oliver: 2439
DanielB: 2379
Gordon Shumway: 2251
damfino: 2088
Kevin M.: 1973
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 3
Members: 31217
Moderators: 0
Admins: 7
Forum Stats:
Groups: 16
Forums: 79
Topics: 10153
Posts: 128172
Newest Members:
faltercutler3
Administrators: Fiddlerman: 16250, KindaScratchy: 1760, coolpinkone: 4180, BillyG: 3744, MrsFiddlerman: 2, Jimmie Bjorling: 0, Mouse: 4432