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Third position practice
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May 3, 2021 - 2:16 pm
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This is a short tune by mozarts dad, its all in third position, I play it slower than it should be done which is Allegretto, my intonation is off in parts mainly the beginning, I think it gets better as I go on though.(its like learning first position all over again) I have started to try to play everything in third position now. c is the note I struggle with mostly on this, which is a bit of a pain but is why I chose it, any helpful hints appreciated.


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May 3, 2021 - 4:35 pm
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@stringy -

Think it's GREAT you're trying to play everything in 3rd position! 

I can't be of any help - I don't speak this language. 

So, how's the lockdown going in your part of the World - said you're back to work?   




The way things are going with "the powers at be", I'll only ever have the option of a virtual lesson on Zoom, here - which is okay.  Many of the workshop instructors at the Fiddle Hell Festival give lessons that way - I'm considering it. 

- Emily


May 3, 2021 - 5:34 pm
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Stringy, keep up the practice,

I once made a statement, 

why would you want to play any song other than in 1st position!

Fast forward,  I had to eat crow on that statement,

Some songs just play easier in a difference positions and it opens up playing in different  keys and playing in different  octaves that would be difficult and not even possible in first position only.

So up the neck we go.



Master the Frog and you have mastered the bow.

Albert Sammons


May 3, 2021 - 8:47 pm
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nice @stringy !  I really need to start practicing some scales/arpeggios in 3rd.  i see the value but havent followed through yet.  ive been thinking of putting on drones and just running through position shifts but havent since there seems to always be something new from the group class i attend that i need to work on and its always in 1st.  theres a new bluegrass group starting up..i dont know any of the tunes though.  and the thought of taking a fiddle break is horrific..lol..  but, I think that would be a good thing for me to use as a goal for practice though.  like as for a list of 10 songs that they will play and staft working toward that.  

good job on this..i dont know the score but it sounds like youre pretty good on intonation.

May 4, 2021 - 1:15 pm
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Nice job, @stringy. Really enjoying listening to your progress. I know this is in the Critique section, but I am really not that well “tuned” to violin to offer any, so based in what I heard, sounded pretty good. 

I did notice the intonation, as you stated, but, you seem to be able to keep going and correct it. Kudos. I have issues with that. 

Again, I am not that far along in my violin, but, does anyone think the bowing arm or maybe wrist, is a little stiff or tight. This could truly be me, because I may be doing it incorrectly or a little off, so wait until you hear back from more knowledgeable sources. It is most likely that I do mine wrong. Just mentioned it in case. 

I think your posture for playing standing up is great. You look very comfortable playing it.

I love you are moving to 3rd position. I am not there. 

Thank you, Stringy.

The Bumblebee Flies!


May 4, 2021 - 3:52 pm
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Emily, we are slowly coming out of the lockdown now, I cant wait for museums and art galleries to open in a few weeks time. Dont think there will be any hols abroad this year though, but we are going to london in june and there are even two shows on, socially distanced which I have got tickets for, so I am looking forward to them. Also going to a show at the royal court in Liverpool, called elen and rigby, a comedy full of scouse humour, great theatre, and always has a great atmosphere with interaction betwèen the actors and audience.

Mark, I have been dabbling with third for a while, but I am now starting to take it seriously, wish I had learned third position first, I find hitting the notes a lot more difficult than in first, but I will get there, once I start I am like a dog with a bone.

Greg that blue grass sounds brilliant, wish we had a group of people round here that were interested in violin, you are very lucky, hope you will post some blue grass tunes.

Mouse, intonation is more difficult for me, in third, and I think its because muscle memory is actually workking against me. Because the notes are very slightly closer together, I have to consciously think to alter them, which shows I have gotten lazy in listening to the actual notes, but I will get there with practice. You are correct about my wrist flexibility, when I concentrate on something like intonation I tend to seize up and start pressing to hard with my left hand and at the same time movement goes out the window in my right lol.

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