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I just put some alphayue strings on with a new finetuner and an already existing bridge. I couldn't play, because it's alreay too late. When I tried to tune the strings sometimes the pegs did move back. Whats the best way to avoid this? Just press them more inside the pegbox or is there any sticky thing which should be applied?

 

What do you think about the fingerboard/bridge/finetuner ratio? What about the height of the bridge and the string height? String spacing?20200316_225248_copy_1200x1600.jpgImage Enlarger20200316_225316_copy_1200x900.jpgImage Enlarger20200316_225352_copy_1200x1600.jpgImage Enlarger

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@rokit .  A good place to start is 4 to 5 mm from the string to the fingerboard end (toward the bridge) on the g string and 3 mm on the e string.  Since the bridge has a radius, if the two end strings have a good clearance, the others will automatically have a proportional clearances.  Playing is easier (and faster) with lower clearances, but the g string oscillating while bowed may strike the fingerboard and cause a buzz if the string is too low.

The bridge is high enough for you to go with either steel core or synthetic core strings.  What you have should work well for you.

Put a small indentation on the bridge with a needle file (no more than 1/3rd string height) for each string and lubricate the knotch with pencil graphite.  The spacing in photo is the standard practice.  No harm in spacing them to more fully across fingerboard if you have wide fingers.  The bridge can be provided with a small piece of parchment under the e string to protect the wood from splitting.  The parchment is held on with a dot of ca glue.

The pegs are typically secured by applying inward pressure toward peg box.  A small amount of chalk or commercial peg dope (a liquid mixture of rosin, soap and glycerin) can be applied for additional friction.  My violin uses a set of 4:1 reduction planetary geared pegs, so I am out of my field in this particular area.  

Standard tuning is a=440 hertz.  As a beginner playing synthetic core strings, you may well find no problem practicing with strings at this tension.  If you find your hand getting sore, try setting your tuner at a=434 or so and work up 2 hertz per month.  

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@rokit and others.  I assume that the forum image of a violin on the right hand side (over the caption “check it out”) is consistent when viewed in Europe.  If so, see that the string spread is wider than what you have.  

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@rokit and others.  I assume that the forum image of a violin on the right hand side (over the caption “check it out”) is consistent when viewed in Europe.  If so, see that the string spread is wider than what you have.

Can it be tested that way? Different screens may have slightly different screen ratios. To me it looks like the Fiddlerman image may be stretched a tiny amount laterally.

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Aspect ratio is the least of my worries.  I just noticed that the violin in my example was a five string!   No matter, the analogy is constant.  I just think that maximising the spatial capacity of the finger board should offer cleaner left hand work.

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Of course, my reasoning would mean rokit's photos would be stretched too. I thought I'd pick myself up on that before someone else does!

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My own violin does not have anywhere near optimum string spacing.  That is my excuse and I am sticking with it.

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For my "ultra" beginner taste, the string spacing seems ok. I don't think the photos are streched. Maybe it just looks wronh because of the capturing angle. Btw, the sound of the violin is quite nice. I will upload a video this weekend.

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Another happy customer. @rokit .  Being new to the violin, it may be wise to stock up on a couple more “e” strings.  As they are working within a few percent of their maximum load, they do not take kindly to any beginner abuse.  It is not unusual for a beginner to try to electrically tune one string while cranking the peg and/or fine tuner of another.  

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I second Irv's comment about stocking up on extra E strings. They break far more frequently than any other string. After getting beyond the beginner stage, most violinists never break a G, D, or A string for the rest of their lives but continue to break an E string every 5-10 years.

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AndrewH said
I second Irv's comment about stocking up on extra E strings. They break far more frequently than any other string....most violinists...continue to break an E string every 5-10 years. 

Do you mean months, or have you suddenly become an ironist?

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Gordon Shumway said

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I second Irv's comment about stocking up on extra E strings. They break far more frequently than any other string....most violinists...continue to break an E string every 5-10 years. 

Do you mean months, or have you suddenly become an ironist?

  

I mean years. I expressly mentioned that this is after getting beyond the beginner stage, which is when most broken strings happen.

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So it's beginners you recommend stock up on E strings? Sorry, that wasn't clear to me.

As it happens, my teacher told me to get string sets with a wound E, as a plain steel E might hurt my fingers, so I ordered spare wound Es, but I'm still using the original supplied sets with plain steel Es, and frankly these strings are so thin I can barely feel them under my fingers, although it may be because they have been toughened up a little bit by guitar and uke playing.

Ooh, I'm 4 posts away from 1,000. I heard Pierre sends you a free set of strings with every 1,000 posts!

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No, I actually mean everyone, though it's especially advisable for beginners. For one, you always need to have spares, and it's the one string that has a noticeable chance of breaking. There have been instances of violinists breaking two E strings in the same concert, so it's best to have at least two spares. (Irv only suggested "a couple" extras in the post that I agreed with.) Second, E strings tend to need to be replaced sooner than the others even when they don't break, both because they are operating so close to maximum load and because violinists spend so much time playing on their E strings. Some violinists buy an extra E string with every full set and change their E string twice as often as the others. When I lived in the Los Angeles area I remember visiting one shop that offered violin strings in sets of five with two E strings.

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As peomised, here is a little sound example: Sound example

What's your opinion? 

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It sounds perfectly satisfactory to me.  

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sounds like a good one to me @rokit .. nice open sound.  looking forward to more as you continue.

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