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April 8, 2015 - 12:11 pm
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As I am learning to play, I have been building violins. Along the way,(and by default), word has gotten out that I have some limited experience with these most fickle instruments. Accordingly, several "white" violins have made their way to my door along with requests to:

1. What do I do now?

2. I already got the top off......

3. Sounds like crap, I think it is.....


My question, for the truly experienced of you, is whether you have seen some white instruments that simply have non-musical tops. By that, I mean tops where graduation, workmanship etc. seem to have little effect. They just seem to have "dead" tops.  

I can tell you that with even my limited exposure to tap-tones, I never would have put such a piece of wood on a violin. How could such a top end up on an instrument that otherwise seems to be very well made? 

I have only used one arching pattern which is quite high. I "think" I notice flatter arching on the few violins that suffer this condition. Thanks for all the info on this site.

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April 8, 2015 - 8:15 pm
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Yes, there are many white violins that have tops that are not plate tuned and need to be graduated. It's a little bit of a shame if one doesn't take the time required for this very important step.
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April 9, 2015 - 4:13 am
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I was wondering if grain in the top plate made a differance too?

I have heard that the tighter the growth rings the better the tone? ie.. the more growth rings per in the better.

With violins there is no fretting over the music.

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April 9, 2015 - 8:26 am
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For me, I am just enjoying the journey of arching , graduation, bass bars etc. I purchased a Scott Cao so I would have at least one violin that always has a top. The academic study of violins and the properties of construction are endless. The possibilities for great success and failure live close to each other. I am continuing the search for a WORLD CLASS G STRING.

OldOgre...I can't say for sure about the growth rings but most I see with tighter more even placement, seem to be better.


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I suppose it may depend on the source for the in-the-white violin.  The ones I am aware of seem to mostly be just a factory violin taken out of the line at some point in the manufacturing process and sold because someone wants an in-the-white.

Neither machines nor people working under quotas where they have to produce a certain number of pieces an hour are going to be very choosey about the wood itself.  A luthier hand-building an instrument probably looks for more qualifications than just simple lumber grading.

So it seems likely that some in-the-whites may have been made of wood that looks pretty, but that an experienced luthier would have been more likely to choose for building a bookshelf or something than for a musical instrument.  Unless you can maybe get to hand-pick at a factory out of a hundred or more in-the-white violins, that is going to be luck of the draw.

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