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Ok well I’m well on my way I think ! It’s a big challenge because 6 months ago I’d never even held a violin and also differentiating between when the note is slightly out of tune and in tune seems impossible at the moment however maybe I can tell there is a slightly better ring to the notes when I play one in tune.. kind of like the echo you get in a church maybe ? Hmm it’s definitely slightly different. Also I’ve printed out the scales from the video above! So thank you for that ! 

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@katie m -

You said you use an app for tuning, but a tuner that attaches to the edge of your violin can be a big help - easily allows you to periodically check if you have a note correct. 

Like others have said: the more you hear wrong, the more you can correct and the better you'll be. 

Even if you think it's impossible to hear the difference now, just keep listening... our brains work in mysterious ways! 

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Thanks Emily ! Just bought one! 

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when I started wij intonation I played the notes inthis order a,e,g,b,d,then g again, going from low a to high g across the finger board, i aould do this at least twenty times at the start of each practice session, theni would practice long slow straight bow strokes from frog to tip, after that scales, which to learn intonation can not be beaten, then arpeggios, after that simple tunes , later on after a year Ithen added etudes to my routi e, there are frames for your hand which are shapes to play things and aid in muscle memory, tou can look these up on you tube.

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katie m said
Ok well I’m well on my way I think ! It’s a big challenge because 6 months ago I’d never even held a violin and also differentiating between when the note is slightly out of tune and in tune seems impossible at the moment however maybe I can tell there is a slightly better ring to the notes when I play one in tune.. kind of like the echo you get in a church maybe ? Hmm it’s definitely slightly different. Also I’ve printed out the scales from the video above! So thank you for that ! 

  

Does seem impossible at first, gets easier with practice, you will be amazed as your ears develop its like magic. It does sound to me something like a hollow noise, when hitting the note bang on, its unmistakeable, and when you first hear it you think you have got it correct but then you notice you can get it even more correct, you will see what I mean eventually, but dont despair it can take a long time, but its the secret of navigating the fingerboard, you see with your ears, the only reason I look at the fingerboard is to make sure my bow is straight, and like I said we always practice in tonation, one of the people who help me from another forum actually told me the other day he learned bachs chaconne to improve his intonation, and this gentleman teaches violin at university.

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It also helps to listen to simple violin tunes. I think simple ones, that are not really fast and complicated make it easier to hear the intonation of the notes you will be using right now. Maybe google for videos of the Suzuki book 1 violin pieces. listen to them. It helps you hear the intonation. Find videos made by instructors, not students, if you can. I know there is a cello teacher who has videos of at least the first three cello Suzuki books. Could be some for violin, too. I am not a fan of the method, itself, but those songs are great to learn from. Listen and pay attention to the sound. It will be different than what your violin sounds like, but the note is the note.

Listen to the intervals between the notes, that helps immensely, I did not know how much until my last cello instructor had me listen to the intervals, If you know you hit the D on the A string accurately, and the G on the E string does not sound right it will be easy to pick up when you notice the interval. Or the properly tuned open D string to the E. You will be a le to tell in time,

The sound from open A to a B, is a whole step interval. The E to the F is a half step interval. They sound different and you will spot it eventually. If you have any music theory questions, which I am kind of getting into here, there is a Music Theory section of the forum. Go to that section and ask away, especially about what I just mentioned here, 

@stringy,  I know you visit this post, If I mentioned the wrong notes to show the whole and half step intervals, please correct me and I will edit my post. 

But listen to songs that are easy to hear the notes with.

Cello, Violin, and Viola Time! 

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Mouse said
It also helps to listen to simple violin tunes. I think simple ones, that are not really fast and complicated make it easier to hear the intonation of the notes you will be using right now. Maybe google for videos of the Suzuki book 1 violin pieces. listen to them. It helps you hear the intonation. Find videos made by instructors, not students, if you can. I know there is a cello teacher who has videos of at least the first three cello Suzuki books. Could be some for violin, too. I am not a fan of the method, itself, but those songs are great to learn from. Listen and pay attention to the sound. It will be different than what your violin sounds like, but the note is the note.

Listen to the intervals between the notes, that helps immensely, I did not know how much until my last cello instructor had me listen to the intervals, If you know you hit the D on the A string accurately, and the G on the E string does not sound right it will be easy to pick up when you notice the interval. Or the properly tuned open D string to the E. You will be a le to tell in time,

The sound from open A to a B, is a whole step interval. The E to the F is a half step interval. They sound different and you will spot it eventually. If you have any music theory questions, which I am kind of getting into here, there is a Music Theory section of the forum. Go to that section and ask away, especially about what I just mentioned here, 

@stringy,  I know you visit this post, If I mentioned the wrong notes to show the whole and half step intervals, please correct me and I will edit my post. 

But listen to songs that are easy to hear the notes with.

  

I can’t correct anyone, you know more about music than I do, I think you give really good advice, and it will really help her, if she follows it😬

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katie m said
Yes I agree I think it’s the reference point I need! And I also see what you are saying about the dots sliding around. If I have absolutely nothing on my finger board I feel completely lost. I’m so fickle I’ll probably change my mind again! Hmm lots to consider. Thank you for all your suggestions! I’m hoping I will hear the notes that are in tune ringing out at me ! 

  

Katie have you watched this?

the link to the drone page..

https://fiddlerman.com/fiddle-.....ing-tools/

 

Using these can be cool.. ive found them helpful.  

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Thanks everyone for the advice! I hadn’t seen that video it’s so good I do have the clear tunes app so I can use that. I’ve been practicing with the note b. Also been trying to do the straight bowing I think it’s a bit less erratic! 

happy new year everyone 😀

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Do not forget to access the videos and information that Fiddlerman has so generously provided for everyone. The links are in the menu bar above the forum. 

Cello, Violin, and Viola Time! 

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So I’ve taken my dots off , couldn’t get on with them and I’ve replaced them with just 4 lines. Before I had a really detailed thing on there so I’m happy with that. Feel like I’ve compromised ! Also been practicing my straight bowing and listening to my playing with my clear tunes app on!

Also way back in November, I recorded happy birthday to send to my brother. I haven’t practiced it since then and I recorded it today for a work friend and it was a lot better!! So I’m thinking it’s down to the daily practice! It’s much more fluid and also I think I am holding the sound better maybe. Like it doesn’t go up and down so much as I play. 

So that made my day! Maybe the practice is paying off!! Katie

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From violin-student to violin_girl

Cello, Violin, and Viola Time! 

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practice will be paying off, more or less impossible not to improve if you do dedicated exercises. Violin is supposed to be enjoyment above all else, at least thats what I think. If it makes you feèl good thats what matters, and if you make others feel good through your playing thats a bonus, dont worry about how fast you progress, it doesnt matter, prodigys are few and far between.

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watch this, one of my favourite  pieces of music played by a maestro, very inspiring. Mozart was a true genius. There is only one instrument playing, incredible skill and the product of intense practise.

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He can play that fiddle,

 

Thanks for posting that,

 

Mark

Master the Frog and you have mastered the bow.

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Amazing ! Thanks for posting.

 

I have been practicing tonalization using the scales from the Lora Staples videos you posted! 

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katie m said

Also way back in November, I recorded happy birthday to send to my brother. I haven’t practiced it since then and I recorded it today for a work friend and it was a lot better!! So I’m thinking it’s down to the daily practice! It’s much more fluid and also I think I am holding the sound better maybe. Like it doesn’t go up and down so much as I play. 
So that made my day! Maybe the practice is paying off!! Katie

 

Practice always pays off.  I know there have been times when I practiced a specific thing, and just seemed not to be getting anywhere.  Then, when I come back to practice the next day (or maybe longer—sometimes longer than a day), I can see/feel the difference.  Like it needed some time to sink in.  Patience with yourself is so important with this instrument.

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That is amazing. :) Best of all, I think he transcribed it.

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

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