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ok I understand the concept and have tuned the fiddle.....but cant get and sound from the bow or very little.. not sure what the issue is. I have the bow tight as i can get it and put rosin on it!! total neophyte!!!!!
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Rosin the bow. should take about 15 min of rubbing.
New bows need lots of rosin. and use sandpaper or key or something to scratch up the surface of a new cake of rosin.
With violins there is no fretting over the music.
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I can only say that if it is a new bow. You have to rosin it for a bit. 3-7 minutes tip to frog.
Good Luck. Others here might chime in with some good advice also.
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Yes, you need to rosin it a lot the first time. And you don't need the bow that tight, just tighten it until there is (roughly) a pencil space between the hair and the stick at the middle of the bow.
Hope it all goes well, look forward to hear how you are progressing. 
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Yeah, scrape the glaze off the rosin cake with a knife or similar, then stroke the hair good and plenty with the rosin. If dust comes off the bow when you play, you know you've put on at least enough rosin.
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You really don't have to scratch up the rosin first.
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1stimestar said
You really don't have to scratch up the rosin first.
Well, I think it depends.
For a noob who is not getting a sound from their new bow, I tell them to scrape the rosin. I don't think it hurts anything, and it makes the job faster. Another thing that works fast is to make a little pile of rosin dust and put that on the hair in addition to the usual stroking. But that implies scraping, so IDK whether it's the dusting or the scraping that does the trick.
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The few times I've had a brand new bow and a new cake of rosin at the same moment, I haven't really had any trouble with it. But I usually use dark rosin, which is more "grabby" in the first place.
My very first bow and cake of rosin, I did use sandpaper on the rosin. Because I'd heard it recommended while waiting for my violin to get delivered. That rosin was very hard and brittle and even using sandpaper, I tended to get chunks and grains of it instead of just a nice fine powder. So I don't know how advisable it is to scrape it with a key, though I've seen it mentioned more than a few times.
But yeah, if you've rubbed the bow over the rosin and you're still getting no sound when you try to bow, roughing up the surface of the rosin a bit to get some to actually go onto the bow would be about the only logical next step to try. I'd agree with RU on that as about the only thing one can suggest to a frustrated beginner.
The first time with my very first bow and rosin, I don't know if I actually needed to or not. But later times with new bows and dark rosins, I've never had a problem. So maybe the type of rosin makes a difference?
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27offsuit... did you solve the problem. How is day 2? I hope you are playing and getting sound today.
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It could really be difficult with new slick rosin and new fresh hair. True that you don't need to scrape it though. I even used sandpaper once.
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