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Gigue BACH (partita3)
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February 15, 2021 - 5:58 pm
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Hello, who knows Bach gigue (partita 3), and would like to help me change positions and fingerings of this piece ...
I would like to know how you play it.
 
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It's very ambitious, maudmaud. And you realise that putting it in first position might make it harder, not easier?

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It's to work on changing positions, and obviously I have to play it very very slowly...
I have to work on the 3rd position. 
I do not ask to change everything in first position but the fingerings of passages in 3rd position
 
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I see. Sorry I misunderstood you before.

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@maudmaud -

I cannot really help with this. 

If @Fiddlerman doesn't see this post maybe @AndrewH will see this and possibly be able to help you. 

Good luck with it! 

 

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I think that there are easier exercises on changing position, that piece is extremely advanced unless I am looking at the wrong one. good luck hope you master it.

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I don't have to "master" it, but trying this score is supposed to help me technically.
 It's a piece that I will work on all my life lol
And I'm just starting to work on it 😅
I just saw the 1st part of the score for the moment.
I'm going to play in 3rd position 
the 2nd measure : D(1) E(2) F(3) F(3), A(2) G(1) A (2) F(3)
 and the 13th measure : E(2) D(1) E(2) E(2), C(1) E(3) G(1) E(3) C(1) E(3) ...
What do you think?

 
 
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I am using etudes for third position shifting and playing in different keys, wohlfarht opus45, I also play scales in third position shifting from first up to third, in D G C A E Eflat and Bflat, I personally wouldnt attempt anythin S difficult as the piece you mention for practice, I prefer the studies I mention, but I am only a beginner and dont know anything really yet, just what works for me.. If its any use to you I also practice playing tunes I know in first position in third position switching between the two this lets me know how far out of tune I am.

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When you first mentioned third position, I assumed that was correct, but it seems to me you either want to play in third position due to the slurs or you feel that it's a good third position etude? It's not just about how to play these individual measures/bars in third position, it's also about how to slide there from first position and back again in the bars that precede and follow, in the context of the whole piece.

Legato string crossing is a technique you have to learn. The starts of bars 8, 9 and 10 are a hint that this is necessary in this piece. You can't always avoid it by changing position.

If you want to play the whole gigue, it's mostly going to be in first. It's about grade 6, I guess? And E major is not the easiest key to play in.

If you want a 3rd position study, there's plenty online free by Sitt or Wohlfahrt.

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@maudmaud - 

Until you can get better help, I did find an excellent tutorial by Rachel Barton Pine and some videos that clearly show fingering.  I would go into the settings and slow the speed down to make it easier to follow. 

 

Good view here - I needed to slow this down to .5 speed to be able to follow the fingering in 3rd position. 

   

 

Sorry, I haven't looked at the sheet music - just keep at it and don't let anyone discourage you! 🤗

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Thank you Emily! 👌

I'll show you my work on this piece in a few weeks.
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I'll gladly help you but I want you to scan the specific measures that you are interested in, when you need help. That way others may benefit from it as well.
You'll love working on it as it is constantly rewarding and constantly developing. Doesn't matter how many times I've played Bach, I feel like I must play it differently the next time I work on it.

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Hello !
that's right, thanks. i work bach now.
then in a year I will work differently again, and so on!
so I started to work on the piece and in the end I only go to 3rd position twice,
on measur 2, and measure 25
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I know there is still a lot of work...
 but my practice of the day gives that😅
(Ps: i am a beginner, 1 year and a half of practice)
 

 
 
 
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@maudmaud -

I think you are playing very well! 

You should join the "Bach Party" that is on going, with your video. 

Just don't mention the title of your piece - we are supposed to be guessing. 😁 

The only Party requirement was play 8 measures, or more. 

https://fiddlerman.com/forum/p.....h-party/ 

 

Thank you for sharing your progress!   

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I'm sure @Fiddlerman will be able to give you some tips/pointers to help out. 

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Agreed, 

For the time you have been playing your going good.

Keep up the good work.

 

Mark

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