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Question About This Woman's Bow Hold
A Youtuber I watch seems to hold her bow different and was wondering if it's okay to hold the bow like she does
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AmandaKulp
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February 24, 2018 - 2:08 pm
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Hello all,

I was watching violin covers on Youtube and I came across this woman's YouTube channel. She is an excellent player however, she seems to hold her bow really high up compared to what I've seen others do. On top of that, she also seems to be actually holding the hairs in her grasp. You can see an example of what I am talking about here: 

When imagining how I m to hold a bow when I do finally start playing violin for the first time, it seems like an uncomfortable thought for me as a bow is so long and from what I have read, you are to hold it down towards the end with a light grasp. That to me seems difficult to grasp. The way the woman in the video holds her bow seems so much more comfortable in theory. Is it realistic to actually hold a bow like that?

Any thoughts on the this would be greatly appreciated. Sorry if I rambled. I am good for that. Was trying to get my thoughts across in the best way.

Thanks!!

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AndrewH
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Baroque violinists and some fiddlers hold the bow up there (they don't hold the bow hairs, though)... I do when playing Baroque music, but not when playing music from other eras.

That bow hold helps with some of the stylistic effects that were common in Baroque music (e.g. where you're supposed to lift a little at the beginning and end of each note), and some find it a little more agile. But it also limits expression in many ways, which is why it isn't the standard bow hold.

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AmandaKulp
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AndrewH said
Baroque violinists and some fiddlers hold the bow up there (they don't hold the bow hairs, though)... I do when playing Baroque music, but not when playing music from other eras.
That bow hold helps with some of the stylistic effects that were common in Baroque music (e.g. where you're supposed to lift a little at the beginning and end of each note), and some find it a little more agile. But it also limits expression in many ways, which is why it isn't the standard bow hold.  

Hello Andrew,

That was an excellent answer. Thank you for explaining that to me. I actually was not aware there are different bow handling for different play styles. Makes sense. Thanks!!

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Fiddlerman
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March 14, 2018 - 5:41 am
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If it works for her that is fine and great. This bow hold will not allow her to play using the whole bow. If she plays below her right hand the bow will pivot over the strings. She can't put pressure on the lower third.
Also, there is no grip where she is holding it so the stick will wear eventually where she holds it.
I definitely don't recommend it, to begin with. She might be better off with a half size bow. This way of holding a bow makes the bow lighter at the tip but complicates other techniques.
That being said, what really matters is that she is able to accomplish what she wants to achieve.

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I dropped by a long-established and highly-recommended Irish session in Evanston (IL) a few weeks ago. Nine violins, 1 viola, 8 other instruments. Players seemed good to excellent. EVERY SINGLE ONE with a bow held the bow way up on the stick. Could this be standard in some circles?

Only other place I've seen it was at a performance, on historic instruments, of early Scottish music (http://timandjeremy.com )--but those guys had shortish bows curved the other way, obviously historic.

I get out so little I'm just beginning to collect orienting "data" like this... would like to hear what anyone knows about who does this, and why.

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Fiddlerman
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March 26, 2018 - 9:53 am
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It's common in areas/groups, where many learn from the same players/circles. It's fine if you don't use, or need to use the whole bow. Playing from your hand to the tip will be fine and even makes the weight of the bow towards the strings less/lighter. It's not fine if you from time to time need to use the whole bow or the frog of the bow. In other words, you are slightly limited and the bow is lighter. For some types of music, this is OK. However, there are more players playing any type of music using the more common bow holds than the choked up on the stick hold.
The same lightness of the bow can be achieved by using more pinky when using the standard Franco Belgian bow grip.
I would however never criticise anyone for holding their bow the way that works the best for them and they are able to successfully achieve a good and sometimes even great sound as well.

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