Welcome to our forum. A Message To Our New and Prospective Members . Check out our Forum Rules. Lets keep this forum an enjoyable place to visit.

Check out the 2024 Fiddlerman Group Christmas Project here.

AAA
Avatar
Please consider registering
guest
sp_LogInOut Log Insp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
sp_Feed Topic RSSsp_TopicIcon
Violin versus Viola
Comparison for learning
Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 (9 votes) 
Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
February 23, 2022 - 10:26 am
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 8817
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@ABitRusty -

Yeah, guess I didn't do a good 'nuff job of tryin' to make one o' them "Conferts" outta ya. 😪

Avatar
ABitRusty
Members

Regulars
February 23, 2022 - 10:48 am
Member Since: February 10, 2019
Forum Posts: 4302
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

ELCBK said
@ABitRusty -

Yeah, guess I didn't do a good 'nuff job of tryin' to make one o' them "Conferts" outta ya. 😪

  

Y youz tauk lake dat!!??  😁

Avatar
AndrewH
Sacramento, California
Members

Regulars
February 23, 2022 - 2:22 pm
Member Since: November 5, 2017
Forum Posts: 1781
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

ELCBK said

 

I don't freak out seeing ledger lines.  Piano music uses plenty of them above the Treble Clef and also below the Bass Clef.  

It shouldn't be a big deal to write music for the 5-string Violin or Viola all in Treble Clef, but I can see where it will drive some people nuts by not including the Alto Clef. 

Don't most Violists start by learning to play Violin and reading Treble Clef, anyway?

  

It's more a matter of how many ledger lines and how often they're needed. Viola parts are not violin parts. The viola's strength is its lower register. I'm thinking of Sibelius's 2nd Symphony, which I played in November -- if the viola were written only in treble clef, it would have been in ledger lines below the staff for most (I'd guess around 75%) of a 45-minute piece.

Also, there's a lot of value to reducing the number of ledger lines when complicated music needs to be learned very quickly. It's not about "freaking out," it's about being able to sight-read easily.

Avatar
Fiddlerman
Fort Lauderdale
February 23, 2022 - 3:20 pm
Member Since: September 26, 2010
Forum Posts: 16535
24sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

@Gordon - That is because the flute only goes down to a C, which is only one line under the staff.

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

Avatar
Gordon Shumway
London, England
Members

Regulars
February 24, 2022 - 3:56 am
Member Since: August 1, 2016
Forum Posts: 2731
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Fiddlerman said
@Gordon - That is because the flute only goes down to a C, which is only one line under the staff.

  

I was talking about above the staff, Pierre. Or are you saying the viola goes above and below the treble clef (whereas the flute doesn't really go below), so alto is a good compromise? 

Andrew

Verified human - the ignominy!

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
February 24, 2022 - 9:10 am
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 8817
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
26sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

ELCBK said

Okay, it's been been 3 weeks since I got Edgar, my new 5-string VIOLA!  

See ABitRusy's and my "Mini Party": 

New Viola Day Thread

1.) The hardest thing for me to get used to is the greater distance between the strings.  Let's face it, I'm much more used to fast string crossings than shifting. (lol) 

🤔... looking on the brighter side, maybe it's good to have another excuse for me to work on shifting. 🙄 

2.) Vibrato isn't any harder... just still hard. 🤭 

3.) Distance between notes isn't as much of an issue as I originally anticipated - always searching for the best intonation, anyway. 😏 

4.) Edgar definitely felt like a VIOLA for the 1st few days, then seemed a completely different instrument. 😳 

It was a joke at first, but after 3 weeks of getting acquainted - I'm afraid I really do see Edgar as a 5-string FIDDLE, in a Viola Suit... with just a much deeper voice.  😲 

...only did a short comparison video of 5-string VIOLIN vs. 5-string VIOLA for SharonC's Party, about a week ago: 

Parlor Music Party Thread 

 

Edgar-2.jpgImage Enlarger

 

All I can say is, I HIGHLY recommend you consider a 5-string VIOLA... or 5-string VIOLIN, from the FIDDLERSHOP - for YOUR first, or next FIDDLE! 

 

- Emily

  

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
February 24, 2022 - 9:18 am
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 8817
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

ABitRusty said
@elcbk said.." Both 5-string Violins & 5-string Violas come strung as C, G, D, A, E. "

Important fact i overlooked..ignored..when buying mine.   Im sure you tried to suggest it but I went 4 string.  Looking at that now and having the standard viola i can see the advantages of one strung like you said...coming from fiddle.  I still probably wouldve went the route i did due to cost.  But I agree, the 5 string viola wouldve been a really good fit with existing fiddle.

  

Thanx! 

Hoping more Fiddlers see the advantages of trying a 5-string Viola. 🤗

Forum Timezone: America/New_York
Most Users Ever Online: 696
Currently Online:
Guest(s) 72
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Members Birthdays
sp_BirthdayIcon
Today None
Upcoming fryserisnon8, Shell, Schaick, GlassTownCur, Violinista Italiano, VirginViolinist, CarolineNH, Cearbhael, JamesRSmithJr, SethroTull86, eugenephilip572, celeigh87
Top Posters:
ELCBK: 8817
ABitRusty: 4302
Mad_Wed: 2849
Gordon Shumway: 2731
Barry: 2690
Fiddlestix: 2647
Oliver: 2439
DanielB: 2379
stringy: 2364
Mark: 2272
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 3
Members: 31779
Moderators: 0
Admins: 8
Forum Stats:
Groups: 16
Forums: 84
Topics: 10851
Posts: 137952
Newest Members:
joanie, hunmari01, lydia.vertu SP, Thavence SP, tcaron21, Ustiana SP, DennisRathbone SP, Dan, JoeCase, r0n
Administrators: Fiddlerman: 16535, KindaScratchy: 1760, coolpinkone: 4180, BillyG: 3746, JoakimSimplePress: 0, MrsFiddlerman: 2, Jimmie Bjorling: 0, Mouse: 6086