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I wanted to post this, because I keep seeing the term “sight-reading” used in a way that is not accurate.
A musician is sight-reading when they are playing music from standard notation that they have not seen/heard before. Once the musician has played/practiced it, they are no longer sight-reading.
Sight-reading is not an interchangeable term for “playing from standard notation” or “playing from sheet music” – it is not the direct opposite of “playing from memory”.
Things that are NOT sight-reading:
Musicians practicing/performing with sheet music in front of them (if it is not the 1st time they’ve seen/heard it).
Musicians performing/practicing with sheet music in front of them while playing in an orchestra (if it is not the 1st time they've seen/heard it).
Musicians performing/practicing with sheet music in front of them when they don’t know it well or are having a hard time learning to play it smoothly (if it is not the 1st time they’ve seen/heard it).
Things that ARE sight-reading:
Musician going to an audition and being handed sheet music that they have never seen/heard before, and being asked to perform it for the judges.
Music teacher presenting sheet music to a student at lesson that the student has never seen/heard before and is asked to play it (“Here’s some music you haven’t seen before that I want you to sight-read.”)
Musician getting new sheet music that he/she has not seen/heard before and practicing it for the first time.
Sight-reading is a specific and important type of practice/assessment tool, so I think it’s important to be sure folks understand what it is.
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Thats me done for.
Gordon, I can sight read anything which is within my skill level of playing ( which is pretty low), if I hear it beforehand.
cant do it without hearing it unless its very simple indeed. But then again I dont really have to as its only a hobby for me anyway.;)
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Wow, I'm really surprised that the term 'a prima vista' isn't used for 1st time playing music by sight - and 'sight-reading' used for the rest of time music notation is used.
I've seen many violin instructional sites/videos talk of looking over a piece of music before playing as the 1st step in 'sight-reading' - so they are NOT correct!
Thank you for sharing this important info, Sharon!
I think this has to be a priority for anyone pursuing a career in music - AND, it appears the Suzuki method would not be ideal for learning violin, in this respect.
There's an ABRSM Sight-Reading Trainer app available - with 150 pieces.
Don't think I've ever played anything without looking over the whole piece - so, by definition, I don't sight-read. I only see fingering and perceive the pitch movement upon first seeing notation, but I can't hear it in my head. My 'sight-reading' would = something even I DON'T want to hear!
Definitely made me think about whether or not I need to spend the extra zillion hours pursuing this skill.
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For sure in melodic type stuff Im playing. I dont know if Ive truely sight read an unfamiliar tune in a while.. NOT..saying ive heard/played all by any stretch.. but with the music so much becomes familiar after a while and becomes easier to pick up on. NOT..that its played well..😉🙂 just maybe easier.
Now i cant speak for some orcheatral part. if someone listens to a whole piece of full orchestral movement... not sure THAT would count as hearing it before. I would think it would be very difficult to say pick out the 2nd violin part and focus on it only.. in a way like say me listening to a recording of some reel being played a session. but after hearing just that part played ...yeah proabably cant say its all sight read in the way youre saying. Its in the subconcious even if only a little.
but i get what youre saying and would have to agree for what i do.
juicy topic! thank you for posting.
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Actually, it's a curious question. In the context of classical music lessons, the idea of hearing a piece of music just doesn't crop up when you are being tested in your sight reading. But, yes, it does make it a lot easier. Otoh, you are expected to plan how you sight-read the piece, and that involves hearing it in your head.
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ELCBK said ...
I've seen many violin instructional sites/videos talk of looking over a piece of music before playing as the 1st step in 'sight-reading' - so they are NOT correct!
When you sight-read, you should take a few moments to look over what you’re about to play (should do this when you play anything, really): determine what key it's in, look at beginning/ending, are there any repeats/2nd endings, any coda, what’s the highest note, any “problem areas”, etc.,
There isn’t a specific cut off that says if you look at it for more than 20 seconds you're not sight-reading. The point is that you are assessing new, unknown music before you begin playing it.
ELCBK said
I think this has to be a priority for anyone pursuing a career in music - AND, it appears the Suzuki method would not be ideal for learning violin, in this respect.
Suzuki is a fine method for young ones to learn from, and is not designed as a sight-reading tool.
Sight-reading is just one of the learning tools in the toolbox. And an assessment tool. Not something you spend most of your practice time on. Most everyone is going to go and watch/listen to others play stuff that they want to learn.
I believe most people have used the term sight-reading in a broader sense (I have) for playing notated music we have heard but not seen. And doing that has most of the components of what sight-reading is supposed to do as a learning tool. To look at the music and assess the key signature, time signature, dynamics, etc., before you start playing.
But in its strictest meaning, if you are sight-reading, you have not heard the tune before, either. If you have heard the music before, you are eliminating the check for ability to assess the written notation & “hear” it in your head without an auditory cue. I’m not arguing the merits of it. Just stating what it is. And it is the something that can be a distinguisher in a competitive audition.
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I was caught up in a wikipedia example:
Kevin McNerney, jazz musician, professor, and private instructor, describes auditions for University of North Texas Jazz Lab Bands as being almost completely based on sight-reading: "you walk into a room and see three or four music stands in front of you, each with a piece of music on it (in different styles ...). You are then asked to read each piece in succession."
Cool article to read where this tidbit came from: The Musings of Kev:My UNT Degrees Came In Handy Tonight
I believe the ABRSM sight-reading test for violinists allows 30 seconds to look notation over.
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I don't think taking a bit of time to look over the sheet music takes away from it being sight-reading, because you still have nothing other than the notation in front of you to assist you in playing the music.
But maybe how much time you spend studying the music in advance matters. The ABRSM makes a distinction between "sight-reading" and "quick study." The exams for all the numbered grades test "sight-reading" and give the candidate 30 seconds to look over a short passage of music before playing it, while the diploma exams test "quick study" and give the candidate 5 minutes to look over a longer and more complicated piece of music.
I think the length and complexity of the piece matters too. For example, I might consider a first playing of an entire sonata movement to be sight-reading, even having heard it before; strictly speaking I might not be sight-reading the main themes (because I'm aided by knowing what they should sound like) but there would still be large portions that are true sight-reading.
In an ensemble context, people tend to use "sight-reading" a bit more loosely because, even if you've heard the piece before, you may not have ever heard your part alone.
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And violin sightreading requires shifting if the music is advanced enough: it requires the correct initial positions for arpeggios, depending on their inversions; and having pre-heard the piece doesn't help much with that. If there's a scale run, where do you start, where do you shift and how and where do you finish?
The last ABRSM exam I did was piano grade 8 in 1977, so my memory is not up to recalling anything about it (except that you were given 30 seconds or a minute for sight-reading prep). How, and how often, did my teacher and I look at the subject? Probably only when she gave me a new piece to learn, every 6 weeks, i'd guess. She probably didn't say "Prepare this for next week" she more likely said "we'll be doing this next week, so sightread it for me now". Other than that, I can't recall anything we may have done, except one formal sightreading session before each exam.
Reasons to be good at sightreading?
It makes you slightly less annoying to the rest of the people in your ensemble, lol!
When I was 17 I played piano once a week for a ballet teacher, and sightreading was very useful there. If you don't envisage that kind of musical life, then you don't have to break an arm learning the skill. The main way you learn it is just by playing as much new music as you possibly can. There are websites crammed with stuff, but I haven' t visited one for years and have lost my links probably.
Andrew
Most Irish fiddle players dont read music at all, the greatest skill is playing by ear, lets face it, all written music is, is a means to record it, same as guitar tab, or just writing down the letters, it doesnt make you a better player being able to read it straight off.
I have heard loads of violin players who are reading the music and playing and their intonation is awful.
Its like myself, just because I can read a grade 7 or 8 piece doesnt mean I can play it, like at the moment I have a book of grade 8 baroque pieces, read a few of them corrente for instance and played it, when I finally found a recording I was similar thats it.
Dont know for sure but I bet there are not many who can read a piece of music without hearing it first who can play it perfectly.
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in reality.. when will a orchestral or ensemble ...quartet ..muscian have to on the fly read and play a piece of music for performance thats not been practiced? Other than an audition.
I can see that happening in like an recording session for an album or movie or something like that. a person takes a gig, grabs his cello and goes down to Abbey Road and is given his part which they run through, record then he goes home.
gigging muscians ..probably the truest form of sight readers? Im speculating.
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ABitRusty said
in reality.. when will a orchestral or ensemble ...quartet ..muscian have to on the fly read and play a piece of music for performance thats not been practiced? Other than an audition.I can see that happening in like an recording session for an album or movie or something like that. a person takes a gig, grabs his cello and goes down to Abbey Road and is given his part which they run through, record then he goes home.
gigging muscians ..probably the truest form of sight readers? Im speculating.
Film and TV studio orchestras sight-read in recording sessions on a regular basis. They rarely get more than one rehearsal, and the rehearsal is usually only long enough to hit a few important spots, so large portions of the music are being sight-read in the recording.
Although an orchestra sight-reading an entire piece in concert is rare, performing on short rehearsal time is very common. Sight-reading is an essential skill because a large amount of music needs to be learned in a short time.
Things like wedding gigs (or other events) are rarely rehearsed at all; a wedding quartet has typically rehearsed the most commonly requested music, but often if something unfamiliar is requested they either quickly find an arrangement or have one of the musicians make an arrangement, and sight-read it at the gig. Also, if they need a substitute musician, often the sub is sight-reading everything.
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AndrewH said
ABitRusty said
in reality.. when will a orchestral or ensemble ...quartet ..muscian have to on the fly read and play a piece of music for performance thats not been practiced? Other than an audition.
I can see that happening in like an recording session for an album or movie or something like that. a person takes a gig, grabs his cello and goes down to Abbey Road and is given his part which they run through, record then he goes home.
gigging muscians ..probably the truest form of sight readers? Im speculating.
Film and TV studio orchestras sight-read in recording sessions on a regular basis. They rarely get more than one rehearsal, and the rehearsal is usually only long enough to hit a few important spots, so large portions of the music are being sight-read in the recording.
Although an orchestra sight-reading an entire piece in concert is rare, performing on short rehearsal time is very common. Sight-reading is an essential skill because a large amount of music needs to be learned in a short time.
Things like wedding gigs (or other events) are rarely rehearsed at all; a wedding quartet has typically rehearsed the most commonly requested music, but often if something unfamiliar is requested they either quickly find an arrangement or have one of the musicians make an arrangement, and sight-read it at the gig. Also, if they need a substitute musician, often the sub is sight-reading everything.
kind of what I believed. And part of whats makes individuals stand out in that area. I watched documentaries on it so i should kniw 😉🙂
hadnt considered the wedding venue thing but i believe on those the music is handled in afvance and muscians picked so alot of tume there is some rehersal time.
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As an amateur, I do a lot of sight-reading in first rehearsals. My orchestra typically distributes music about a week in advance of the first rehearsal, but realistically there isn't time to practice everything. Before the first rehearsal, I look over the music and figure out what needs practice in advance, so typically I've practiced the tricky-looking passages but nothing else. I do listen to recordings if possible, but most of what I get out of it is familiarity with what other parts sound like and when I should start playing. It's often of limited use for learning my own notes because the viola part may be in the background. (Also, listening to recordings is not always possible because some of the music we play is contemporary music that has never been recorded.)
Many community orchestras distribute parts in the first rehearsal, which means everyone is sight-reading everything in that rehearsal.
Sight-reading is also something I do for fun quite often. I occasionally meet up with other musicians for casual chamber music reading sessions, and sometimes I look through IMSLP and sight-read pieces to see if I'd be interested in learning them more thoroughly.
If you follow my blog here, you'll notice that this week I was just at a week-long chamber music workshop, where I was starting a new piece with a new group every morning and performing in the evening the same day. For this kind of workshop, sight-reading is probably more important than technique. Some of the pieces I played this week were well-known pieces that everyone in the group had heard before, but during the week I was assigned two pieces to perform that I'd never heard of. In the evenings, I did some of what the workshop calls "freelancing", which is just casual reading with self-formed groups -- and in those sessions I played three pieces I'd never heard before. Even at an amateur workshop, in the four times I've attended, I've played in several groups that could stay together and play almost all the notes in tempo in their first reading of a piece, and go straight into working on interpretation.
Very interesting and insightful Andrew, obviously a lot of work goes into the memory part of learning pieces in an orchestra, I am afraid that would be the end of me immediately, I have much admiration for those in orchestras who can do this, as well as session musicians, though as I have said in an earlier post it doesnt really affect me a I tend to learn by ear anyway, and of course violin, especially classical isnt really my instrument, its a hobby. But people like yourself in orchestras do get my respect.
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