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I'm checking Intonia now.  Looks interesting.

Is it only for recording and playback?

What I do is I just use a tuner and watch as I play.  That gives me instant feedback on my intonation.

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So far I've only recorded and played it back. Then I erase it right away so I don't fill up my sdd storage. That part of it seems to work very well using the built in mic of your device. Intonia gives instant feedback as well. I just try to line it up on the screen while playing.

 There is a paid version of it that I'm sure does a lot more. Sorry I don't know more than that. Good Luck!!

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I see now.. you can play and see what you're doing.  Red is bad!  LOL

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Melodyne is another tool out there IF you happen to have presonus it comes with it.  Ive been looking at recordings in melodyne and seeing just how far off my intonation is.  2nd finger is usually the culprit and drifts as bad as -29 to -35 cents.  Its consistent though.  If that's any consulation...like a participation award or something. :/  I haven't seen much going sharp..almost always flat.

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I had forgotten about Melodyne. Had not considered using it for this. You could use that to put yourself in tune winkwinkwink

............................ I know you wouldn't do that. Would you? laughlaughlaugh

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No but. yes you could but sorta defeats the purpose of using it in my application.  I think as far off as I'm getting you can hear the edit anyway.  Now if someone has studio time and money riding on a take maybe something people use it for?  probably just easier to record again I would think.  But to answer it can be used to adjust pitch/intonation especially vocals which seems to be what it is mainly used for.  

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starise said
Thanks for sharing that damfino. I'm glad the Skype works well for you.

Of course, we are all different. In my case, I needed someone to tell me to SLOW DOWN. As a person who began with Irish fiddle I was always trying to keep up with everyone. What I didn't realize was I missed a lot  not learning some of the techniques slower first. As an adult who is geared for goals asap, this was a tough one for me. Another thing I suspect some fiddlers miss is learning the higher positions and some of the 4th finger positions. This was me because I could play 100 songs using all 1st position. 

I am finding it is really tough to play some material slow and with feeling. My teacher actually put me back to a song in Suzuki book 2 I'm ashamed to admit, because my 4th finger notes needed some more development. She seems to be systematically taking me through Suzuki material where I am deficient. Might be book 3 or book two or higher. She jumps around. I could play some material at the end of book 3 but missed earlier techniques training.

  

You sound a lot like me 😀 . It is hard to remember to slow down. I'm better at that now, but at first I always wanted to learn to speed up my tunes right away. I started with Irish fiddling, but after a year of just that did a year of straight technique (it got boring, but was good for me). I was learning to shift, but after the nerve thing, I switched priorities. I decided I don't need to shift at the moment, and decided to focus deeper on Irish fiddling techniques. 

Bouncing around in books is a good thing, means she's focusing on what you need vs just going through the books in order. Also, at least for me, helps hold your interest.

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Responding a little late, but I think going back and revisiting things is quite normal. When I started lessons after 16 years of self-teaching, the main emphasis was on correcting bad habits, so my teacher had me go back and revisit a piece that I'd learned six years earlier and had even performed as a soloist with orchestra before. The purpose was not so much to relearn the piece as to work on bowing technique while playing a suitable piece that I could play without thinking about the notes.

And especially at higher levels, even if you don't have deficiencies, sometimes going back to revisit a piece months or even years later brings out details that you didn't think about when you first learned the piece, often because your technique wasn't at the point where you could think that much about interpretation the first time around.

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No but. yes you could but sorta defeats the purpose of using it in my application.  I think as far off as I'm getting you can hear the edit anyway.  Now if someone has studio time and money riding on a take maybe something people use it for?  probably just easier to record again I would think.  But to answer it can be used to adjust pitch/intonation especially vocals which seems to be what it is mainly used for.  

I hope you know I'm kidding with you there!smile It is an amazing program. The last time I tried to use it was with a Tim McGraw look alike who wanted me to make some tracks for him. He didn't like how his voice sounded changed in Melodyne, so he just didn't sing the tracks that he didn't like.

One thing I have found is those small clip on tuners can be inaccurate. My tuner would say I was in tune and my teacher's tuner was reading me flat. This is a big one for a fiddler/violinist because of how it can affect our fingerings. So I guess I can't trust my tuner.

It is hard to remember to slow down. I'm better at that now, but at first I always wanted to learn to speed up my tunes right away. I started with Irish fiddling, but after a year of just that did a year of straight technique (it got boring, but was good for me). I was learning to shift, but after the nerve thing, I switched priorities. I decided I don't need to shift at the moment, and decided to focus deeper on Irish fiddling techniques. 

Bouncing around in books is a good thing, means she's focusing on what you need vs just going through the books in order. Also, at least for me, helps hold your interest.

I hear on that! Not sure what the nerve thing is, but I hope it gets better for you. Yes, there is enough in  Irish music to keep a person busy for a very long time. To say it's exhaustive is an understatement. You have you hands full in just that!

The most frustrating thing for me is I play my assignment ok in the studio, then I get to the lesson and it doesn't come out as nice, then she makes me work on it another week. I guess I'm not really good enough to move ahead.

Responding a little late, but I think going back and revisiting things is quite normal. When I started lessons after 16 years of self-teaching, the main emphasis was on correcting bad habits, so my teacher had me go back and revisit a piece that I'd learned six years earlier and had even performed as a soloist with orchestra before. The purpose was not so much to relearn the piece as to work on bowing technique while playing a suitable piece that I could play without thinking about the notes.

And especially at higher levels, even if you don't have deficiencies, sometimes going back to revisit a piece months or even years later brings out details that you didn't think about when you first learned the piece, often because your technique wasn't at the point where you could think that much about interpretation the first time around.

Were you even just a little frustrated at going back to things you thought you knew?

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@starise "...One thing I have found is those small clip on tuners can be inaccurate. My tuner would say I was in tune and my teacher's tuner was reading me flat. This is a big one for a fiddler/violinist because of how it can affect our fingerings. So I guess I can't trust my tuner..."

What makes it worse is when I noticed that the off button ( or a button in close proximity to it) also adjust the frequency from A440 up to some value and back around to 440.  Me being ME was inadvertently adjusting the frequency until I finally noticed around 445 or something.  Heck probably made me sound more in tune.. violin-student

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Don't feel bad Greg, I've done that too. I'm thinking about getting another tuner, although I have a Korg. It's difficult to see (lcd not led). I have one or two as apps in my smart phone. I am thinking now I need at least two tuners to make sure I'm in tune. I should add that I need to know THEY are accurate.

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starise said

I hear on that! Not sure what the nerve thing is, but I hope it gets better for you. 

Thanks 🙂 It's the ulnar nerve, it's pinched and out of place in my elbow. It's in my left arm, so it makes my ring and pinky finger on that hand hurt, go numb and sometimes get hard to control. So, since I didn't want to give up playing altogether (it could get better on its own or with surgery, neither has happened yet, haha) I just chose to step back from all the classical technical stuff I was learning (all good stuff, but it kept me from really playing tunes) and went into what would make me enjoy playing while I can, just in case somewhere down the road I end up with a crippled hand, I will have had some fun playing.

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I have a Korg, too, to use with my cello. I had to turn the screen to a different setting, brighter or backlit?, and now I can read it fine. I was afraid it would kill the batteries quickly that way. I still use the same batteries it came with, though. It has been a few months now. I am very surprised. My Snark eats batteries. My D’Addario NS mini tuner does not go through batteries as quickly as my snark.

I wish the NS would fit on my viola. It says it will fit violins and violas. I have three violas, 15”, 15 1/2” (my good one), and a cheapo 16” that I bought just as a test. The NS tuner does not fit on any of them. I might get another NS and remove the rubber bumper and see if it will fit. The lips of the violas are just a tad too tall. I could use something thinner on the underside of the tuner. I like it with my violin and would love to use it with my viola.

I do wish the Korg had an easier to read screen, though. I can read it, but I had to make it brighter, or maybe it turned in a backlight. Whatever it did, either brighten or turn on a backlight, it does make it easy to read. I just would prefer bolder letters.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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My clip on is apparently multi-instrument.  It has a tendency to fall off.  I keep it clipped to my scroll and as you know, the scroll is not a flat surface.   I do not know where else to clip it.  It's ok... if it breaks, it is only about $10.  I'll replace it if I need to.

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Thanks.  It's the ulnar nerve, it's pinched and out of place in my elbow. It's in my left arm, so it makes my ring and pinky finger on that hand hurt, go numb and sometimes get hard to control. So, since I didn't want to give up playing altogether (it could get better on its own or with surgery, neither has happened yet, haha) I just chose to step back from all the classical technical stuff I was learning (all good stuff, but it kept me from really playing tunes) and went into what would make me enjoy playing while I can, just in case somewhere down the road I end up with a crippled hand, I will have had some fun playing.

Sorry to hear about the nerve issue. Probably a good move to back off of anything that causes pain there until it gets better. I love your attitude. You mare making the best of it. Still a lot of material you can play!

My clip on is apparently multi-instrument.  It has a tendency to fall off.  I keep it clipped to my scroll and as you know, the scroll is not a flat surface.   I do not know where else to clip it.  It's ok... if it breaks, it is only about $10.  I'll replace it if I need to.

I experimented with a few different tuners I had to see if they all agreed. I really liked Datuner app on my phone best so far. It agrees with the Korg and is easier to see. I looked at a really nice clip on strobe tuner, even has "sweet" tunings for guitar and violin. Presets that take some strings slightly one direction of the other. Peterson Stroboclip

I seem to be doing ok using the tuning app right now. I have that one in the back of my mind to maybe look at more seriously. I want to try comparing my tuning and tuners with my teachers to see if they read the same. 

A few years back a friend of mine asked me if I wanted this contraption he found when cleaning out an old school music room. It's an old strobe tuner. Not sure if you've ever seen one. Literally a spinning wheel and strobe that stops when you reach a certain tuning. If the wheel moves slowly one way or the other you aren't in tune. I want to use it but have no place to plug it in right now.

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