I'm starting to think "Ableton Live" might be better now, for creativity.

 creativity really isnt inherent from one daw to another...ive seen some pretty amazing stuff from a violin and multieffects pedal on the street and youtube.. its more about what workflow you decide to choose.  theres a lifetime of possiblities in each approach.  depends on the person and the goals.  from what youve previously mentioned it may be to your advantage to utilize the spark by itself for a while, then move what youre doing over into abelton using spark as interface.  i think it will work in abelton as an interface.  if its bundled with it then it will im sure.  i believe that spark phone app allows you to setup loops in the spark.  but i dint have ine of those so cant say for sure.

JohnG said
You folks are driving me nuts! lol - Just downloaded Studio One Prime, mostly so I can start learning it, and to create MP3 files to playback on my phone and using my hearing aid bluetooth to listen and hopefully play as a duet with myself to better get time and intonation down properly. Also am currently looping the tune while I type this so it, hopefully, will embed itself into my memory. Eventually I want to make backing tracks using my midi keyboard!

So much to do, but still need time to practice!!!!!

  

Sorry @johng we or at least I cant help it.. geek out on the stuff and it DOES help me practice.  My hobby what can I say.  Yes.. the extra whiz bang stuff can take away from practice while you get up to speed on it but after a few times of recording its just like making a video..  have fun  oh and by the way.. you dont need much intonation help.. at least from what Ive heard.  good playing.

I really like experimenting with different drum loops... rhythms.. opening presonus especially and loading up ezdrummer and just losing an hour or so trying different drum kits and beats... so on so forth.  But lately..and especially after getting a real one thanks to @SharonC and her topic got me into exploring the wittners. ive enjoyed the more real world tangible device.   something about it... just really nice

if your starting off... dont put off playing to a metronome... go slow at first.. REALLY it helps.  Try a drum loop at first if its easier... but eventually try working in a metronome or click track.

Theres many muscians I like and when i listen to each play the same tune..its wow.  each has their feel or groove.  neither is wrong or right to me... just great.   best i can describe is one will have a feel that naturally has that down tap on the floor as music plays and your body just feels in sync with groove..its the pull of gravity and a kind of sinking in the floor and releasing you to the next swell or pulse in the tune.  its kinda mesmorizing.

the other has a feel like as you raise your foot in the air with the music theres some air pushing you up. and forward momentum.  kinda like a lean.  its kind of a floaty or loopy style.  you land with the groove but its almost like on your toes and then that air pushes you up and with the next pulse.

these are descriptions my own that probably do better to confuse than explain what i hear/feel..both styles of playing are great and have their own groove and its hard to put finger on what it is... but each has IT.. lol. and as i have tried to learn the stuff.. how to come close to something that approaches EITHER..has been so interesting and fun..challenging ..idk.. theres days i feel like i lean one way and then next i can hear the other way in my head.  

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Haha.. so using drum loop videos..drone videos..stuff like that i do alot.. or have anyway.

i think i was posting 54 not really as a followup but just i thought ive been having.  its all related to groove or whatever though.  lately ive been using the tempi a bunch and really liking that.   i kinda think of the DAW as more of a canvas in that ideas can be recorded easily and saved for later.  different instruments easily added..yadda yadda.

but really was just sharing that I seem to sorta group what i listen to into two major groups described in post 54.   Think regional fiddle styles 😉🙂

ELCBK said

ABitRusty said

Theres many muscians I like and when i listen to each play the same tune..its wow.  each has their feel or groove.  neither is wrong or right to me... just great.   best i can describe is one will have a feel that naturally has that down tap on the floor as music plays and your body just feels in sync with groove..its the pull of gravity and a kind of sinking in the floor and releasing you to the next swell or pulse in the tune.  its kinda mesmorizing.

the other has a feel like as you raise your foot in the air with the music theres some air pushing you up. and forward momentum.  kinda like a lean.  its kind of a floaty or loopy style.  you land with the groove but its almost like on your toes and then that air pushes you up and with the next pulse.

these are descriptions my own that probably do better to confuse than explain what i hear/feel..both styles of playing are great and have their own groove and its hard to put finger on what it is... but each has IT.. lol. and as i have tried to learn the stuff.. how to come close to something that approaches EITHER..has been so interesting and fun..challenging ..idk.. theres days i feel like i lean one way and then next i can hear the other way in my head. 

 

I think a lot depends on the tune (another reason I want to 'hear' how others play tunes) - a great groove will win me over! 

I know you don't want to spend time analyzing grooves, but I'm seriously interest in what you notice!

Searched out a little about drum grooves as I go along - don't have much time to do it, though.  Have watched a few videos from Jeff Randall's YT Channel, like this one - he makes some good points, I think.

 

 

Been working to get grooves to stand out more on fast tunes - with clearer articulation, cleaner dynamics & pushing timing, but I have to know a tune well enough to play smoothly before it can all come together. 

 

  

im glad you finally started watching the drummer youtubes and listening to drum grooves.  i know for a while there i was saying... check out the drummer channels 😀 .   cant remember what it was you were searching for then but it looks like youve embraced it!!

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@elcbk said...I know you don't want to spend time analyzing grooves

gosh..i thought why i started this topic.  and we spent alot of around post 10 on freemont bypass.  i just figured the video was shared because he said not to rely on a metronome.  i think ive pretty well made a case for listening to tunes to get the feel of them and to get the melodies.   to use drum tracks.. recorded music..metronomes..nothing new there.  been talking about how i use them a while now.  and mainly when its been relevant to whatever the current conversation is.  

besides checking and keeping time..i think listening yo a click helps listen to something other than the music in your head.  one downside ive found about listening to someone elses recording of a tune is that i hear that WAY of playing it when that way of playing it wont fit my situation.  like a session.  thats why im using the metronome more.  its a click and i have to listen.  its external to myself.  and that is a skill needed when playing in one.  but i still want to sound and have my music feel like great players so i listen to and still play to their music too.  doing one doesnt negate doing the other and one should do them all for various reasons st different stages.  

one thing to try with a click track or drum track is to play along with it and drop it out from time to time while your playing.. see if when it comes back in if youre still in sync.. learned that exercise on a guitar site