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depends on what youre trying to do...presonus is more if a hybrid ...and aimed more for recording real instrument multitracking..ablelton is more of a live performance looping kinda thing. both are DAWS.. only you will be able to decide whats best. I dont do much looping...for what i come up with ..I do things like creating a track for my microphone turning it on hitting record and playing straight through then hitting stop. if i want another part ill create another track and record that...so on so forth.. tons of midi inatruments available..so some tracks are sampled instruments..some of those are included in software some added later from 3rd parties. but for recording a live instrument i really think presonus is better suited but again its what you think youll be doing.. i had both free as included software with something i bought..tried both and settled on presonus.
check out joe gilder in youtube...look for his tutorials.
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@ABitRusty -
Thanx! I'll check those out.
Suppose I'll just have to try them both - each has enough free stuff to at least try out.
Thought all the Cat Lovers here would get a kick out of the "How to Make Music like Amelie Lens" video.
...guess I should've mentioned cats. (lol)
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some articles of interest that may be helpful
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I'm starting to think "Ableton Live" might be better now, for creativity.
creativity really isnt inherent from one daw to another...ive seen some pretty amazing stuff from a violin and multieffects pedal on the street and youtube.. its more about what workflow you decide to choose. theres a lifetime of possiblities in each approach. depends on the person and the goals. from what youve previously mentioned it may be to your advantage to utilize the spark by itself for a while, then move what youre doing over into abelton using spark as interface. i think it will work in abelton as an interface. if its bundled with it then it will im sure. i believe that spark phone app allows you to setup loops in the spark. but i dint have ine of those so cant say for sure.
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You folks are driving me nuts! lol - Just downloaded Studio One Prime, mostly so I can start learning it, and to create MP3 files to playback on my phone and using my hearing aid bluetooth to listen and hopefully play as a duet with myself to better get time and intonation down properly. Also am currently looping the tune while I type this so it, hopefully, will embed itself into my memory. Eventually I want to make backing tracks using my midi keyboard!
So much to do, but still need time to practice!!!!!
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JohnG said
You folks are driving me nuts! lol - Just downloaded Studio One Prime, mostly so I can start learning it, and to create MP3 files to playback on my phone and using my hearing aid bluetooth to listen and hopefully play as a duet with myself to better get time and intonation down properly. Also am currently looping the tune while I type this so it, hopefully, will embed itself into my memory. Eventually I want to make backing tracks using my midi keyboard!So much to do, but still need time to practice!!!!!
Sorry @johng we or at least I cant help it.. geek out on the stuff and it DOES help me practice. My hobby what can I say. Yes.. the extra whiz bang stuff can take away from practice while you get up to speed on it but after a few times of recording its just like making a video.. have fun oh and by the way.. you dont need much intonation help.. at least from what Ive heard. good playing.
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GregW said
Sorry @johng we or at least I cant help it.. geek out on the stuff and it DOES help me practice. My hobby what can I say. Yes.. the extra whiz bang stuff can take away from practice while you get up to speed on it but after a few times of recording its just like making a video.. have fun oh and by the way.. you dont need much intonation help.. at least from what Ive heard. good playing.
I'm really not complaining! And thanks for the intonation comment. I don't want to take over this thread, but I really found it fun, interesting, and of immense help! See my blog if interested in my experience.
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More Groov'n!
Here's a fairly recent Adam Neely video - as featured guest of musician Sarah Jeffrey.
I've always loved Medieval music, but never had a clue some of these complicated rhythms existed in written music back then! ...and it's a shame, but I can't say I like these.
'Polyrhythms' vs. 'Polypulses' vs. 'Phasing' - all blew my mind!
'Prolation Canon' - different voices play the same melody, but at different speeds & proportions - crazy!
Proportions of Seven - 7:4, subdividing by 3! 😵 "Without a metronome it's not that hard - you're just doubling speed, halving speed, or choosing whether to subdivide into 2 or 3." (Sarah Jeffrey)
MATH!
There are related techniques in Indian Carnactic music!
Player pianos hold a special place in my heart. I did not know that Conlon Nancarrow was a composer (20th Century) that wrote hard to play proportions (π(Pi)/e?) for the Player Piano.
LOVED - "If you write a Polyrhythm you better be able to play it just as well as you expect your players to play it!" (Adam Neely) 🤣
...not quite getting the 'Nested Tuplet' thing - even after Adam explained.
🤔 Think my Daughter had a "Nested Tuplet"... and Twins!
- Emily
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I STILL LOVE GOING OVER THIS THREAD - GREAT RHYTHM INFO!
I STILL find the Irish Reel rhythm exercise in post #3 - challenging! 🤣
I STILL love the rhythms in the Zatoichi clips, too!
We've lost the wonderful old TV footage video of Dave Brubeck's "Unsquare Dance", but here's a Song version by Chris Brubeck!
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SWING!
I'm still having a little trouble sometimes, distinguishing between all the different types of 'swing' - especially 'East Coast Swing', 'Western Swing', and 'West Coast Swing'. 'Boogie-Woogie' is also a type of Swing - thinking maybe closest to West Coast type.
I'm sure the only way I'll get better, is listen to more!
I think the important thing I'm taking from this - maybe try to count slowly while learning, but I have to learn to 'feel it' from listening, because I don't have time to think about counting while playing.
Listen... Listen... Listen... Listen... Listen... Listen... Listen...
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