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Dont forget to go get your chicken sammich from Chick fil A today in support of (if nothing else) free speech. I like my chicken fried and my speech free! oh, and fiddle fiddle fiddle fiddle. Now its relevant to the forum. peace out.
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our restaurant here in the mall was packed out like crazy!
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Sorry I must be missing something
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I could honestly see this non fiddle/violin related post getting heated somewhere down the line. Tell me...what does this whole Chic-fil-a thing have to do with Fiddle and Violins? Just curious... 
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Fiddling and fowl are historicaly linked (Turkey in the straw) I am sure this is what we are talking about.
No matter where you go, there you are!
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Fiddling and fowl are historicaly linked (Turkey in the straw) I am sure this is what we are talking about.
Sounds great to me... I knew the link was there...just needed help finding it! 
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seemed like a national thing, wondered who was participating or not. I put it in the breakroom where we can talk about anything. It was about free speech. Like this post.
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I didn't feel the topic was relevant in this forum. And you didn't really believe it belonged here either, picklefish, or you wouldn't have tried to justify it with the:
"oh, and fiddle fiddle fiddle fiddle. Now its relevant to the forum. peace out."
So far as I have ever been able to tell, any time somebody is yelling "Free speech! Free speech!", they most often are basically just trying to entice others into a debate over what is likely a heated topic. Trying to stir something up. There are plenty of other forums for that and politics and whatever. Anyone that wants those things can find those places easy via google or whatever. Me, I come here to get away from that sort of thing and talk about music and playing and instruments.
Speech is not free in that sense, and never was. What we say always has some rules involved. We do not tell raunchy jokes or use "adult language" here, for example, because we know that there are also younger folks who play violin or fiddle and come here. With every right, comes the responsibility to use it appropriately.
This place is what we make it with our posts. I, for one, am more interested in reading posts that are relevant to the focus of music and specifically violin/fiddle than politics or social issues and debates. I can find those in many other places if I want them
The only reason I have replied at all on this topic is because it occurs to me that maybe you think everyone here agrees with you as to this sort of issue being something that should be discussed in this forum. At least one person felt that it doesn't, and that person is me. What side of this actual issue one is on (if one is even on a "side" for this issue) doesn't even matter here, since it does nothing to help or encourage anyone to play violin/fiddle.
It is relatively easy to be right/correct in the literal sense.. It takes thought and effort to try to actually be good.
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I could honestly see this non fiddle/violin related post getting heated somewhere down the line. Tell me...what does this whole Chic-fil-a thing have to do with Fiddle and Violins? Just curious...
You hit the nail right on the head 
Someone took offense to it.
Seem's to me the "Breakroom" is for any topic you want to talk about, not that I condone that topic but...... It doesn't say anything you want as long as it's about violins.
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Fiddlestix said
gkeese said
I could honestly see this non fiddle/violin related post getting heated somewhere down the line. Tell me...what does this whole Chic-fil-a thing have to do with Fiddle and Violins? Just curious...You hit the nail right on the head
Actually...I tend to agree with Dan.
And you didn't really believe it belonged here either, picklefish, or you wouldn't have tried to justify it with the:
"oh, and fiddle fiddle fiddle fiddle. Now its relevant to the forum. peace out."
The breakroom...in my iopinion, is not to discuss Politics or social issues, but to discuss what this entire site is about.
If we are going to put it all out there, I disagree with the Chick-fil-a thing. But I do believe in free speech, that said, I think it is a stupid issue to begin with. Some owner had his opinion and now EVERYONE is making it something it is not. So I ignore the issue. But then I see this retarded issue being brought up in the one place I go to to get away from this stuff. If I want to know everyone opinions on social issues I'll read your facebook posts. 
Now can we please get back to the fun stuff? 
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Evening all.
Who' watching GB in 3rd place in the Olympic medal table!!
I always believed this is a 'breakroom' from violin and it's study.
As we have all become friends here, and are (fairly! Lol) intelligent, we can decide to join in a discussion, leave it alone if we feel like it, or jump in and give a differing opinion.
I certainly wouldn't deliberately put something here if I thought it was going to cause offence or embarrassment to my friends, especially Fiddlerman. Heck, I use Facebook to vent my spleen on the world, to me this place is my little sanctuary.
I say deliberately, coz I'm sure I might do it now and again by accident, but it is purely by accident.
If someone told me they thought my comments a bit near the mark, I might take their comment on board or I might not, but I wouldn't fall out with my friend who tuuged me on the sleeve to point out that I might be upsetting someone with my comments, I would value their opinion and then make my own decision how to proceed.
That's the good thing about friends, we help each other to grow, even if we don't always like, or agree with what they tell us.
Now, back to the Olympics and the latest Fiddlerman project........
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Hi Terry! I agree. I'd like to think we've become friends also. I also think that the break room available for non violin/fiddle related topics. I agree that there is so very very much to do on this site, you can read, not read, respond or not respond. I think sometimes the disagreeing of the original post is more offensive than whether or not the posts belonged there in the first place. It seems the fine art of respectfully agreeing or disagreeing can be lost in the forums. Maybe I am just sensitive, but it seems people want to pounce. I removed my posts in support of free speech and the pursuit of happiness because some felt the need to question whether we can talk of free speech ??? (still noodling through that one). I deleted them because I felt bad, when I had written nothing bad. ( I know.. grow a pair). As adults we know that religion and politics are best left out on the forums. But censored and criticized, come on? I thought Picklefish brought an interesting topic in the forum. That doesn't mean we have to pounce! It doesn't mean we have to be harsh. Just some of my thoughts. Terry Congrats on GB and the medals. I am happy and proud for you! I have Brits in the family (soon to be)... and they are all so very very excited. My daughters boyfriend (father of my grand daughter - Abigail Elizabeth Rose) is originally from Reading, England. His family have all been here for 11 years...so they are happy happy with the Olympic right now also. It is a happy frenzy for them. Anyway...it is all so exciting!!!!!! Yay!!!! Toni
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I agree with Terry and Toni. I think this site allows us to become friends (if that's possible without ever meeting face to face) and, as such, we can -- or should be able to -- tolerate some differences of opinion without hard feelings. You don't agree with everything your real world, three dimensional friends say, do you?
I also think that the "Break Room" is the very place to discuss topics that are sometimes outside of the violin and fiddle realm. That's how we can get to know each other as friends. Much like the break room at the office...you don't confine conversation there to only work-related matters, right? Believe it or not, we alll have some interests and lives outside of violin playing. I know, I know, that's very hard to believe, but it's true! 
If I want to engage in a topic, I do. If not, I just ignore it. No harm done.
That's my 2 cents, anyway.
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Let me be the first to say, I am sorry to Picklefish. I guess I misunderstood what the "break room" was for. So once again, I am sorry Picklefish. Everyone else is right. This is the room where we talk whatever we want. I shouldn't have said anything in the first place. Bless you all.
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I have read this thing through a couple times now, and I'm not sure as I see where anyone has acted actually offended. Not impossible that I could have missed it though.
If anything I said offended anyone (definitely including picklefish), then I apologize. It was not my intent to make anyone feel bad or angry, and I don't think it was picklefish's intent either, to be honest. So far as I know, I have no problems with picklefish or anyone else here.
The issue itself isn't something I was complaining about. I'm not touching the issue with a 10 ft (approx 3 M) pole. Like religion and politics, it is something likely to be inflammatory with some people. I know that some people I know in "real life" feel strongly about it one way or another, because I had already gotten an earful about it and seen it being hotly discussed in other places. My personal reaction to it here was on the order of "Good grief.. Here too??"
Ok, this area is clearly labelled as "This is where you can discuss anything you want". So yeah, I am probably out of line and engaging in wishful thinking with looking for the violin/fiddle "fix" in this particular section. LOL My bad.
The issue itself, well.. I have seen people in chat sometimes that said they were as young as 8 yrs old. At first I figured they were BS-ing, but when I thought about it, I could read and write well enough by second grade and so could most other people I knew at that age, and kids do go on the net these days at an early age. I wasn't getting music lessons or studying an instrument at that age, but I know some people definitely do. So ok, it is not only possible but probable that we do have some folks here that young or maybe even a bit younger. As I understand the issue, it can kind of touch on some "birds and bees" areas that I personally would not feel comfortable being asked about by someone else's young child. I always figured that was why we rather avoid seriously "adult" themed jokes around here. Some of you folks are brave enough to be explaining that sort of thing to somebody else's kids, cool. But if I see that sort of bullet coming along in the forum or chat, I personally will be dodging it. LOL
It has also been mentioned that we usually try to avoid topics like religion and politics, and so far as I understand it, this issue can maybe for some people be tangled up in one or both of those things as well.
That isn't censorship. Censorship implies the ability to actually force someone to not talk about something by editing or blocking what they say or something. I don't recall seeing censure here, either, which is criticizing someone else or their opinions with anger or harshness. I don't think I have ever seen either of those things happen here. This is a very friendly and supportive sort of place, and a great crew of folks, ALL present company definitely included.
I will definitely agree with Terry on there being far more important cabbages to bile, and the deadline clock is ticking.
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There sure has been a lot of todo out of 3 (nothing meant by this) sentence's.
I don't think there was any ill-intent from pickle.... when he posted it.
Let's just drop the whole thing now, please. Let us all just get along here.
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Drop what? LOL
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Pierre,,, the topic in the article had something to do with gay right marriage's I guess and there was some hullabaloo about it.
So I suggested we drop the whole subject. The topic is posted in the "Breakroom" and has nothing to do with violin's. As you know, breakroom is for any subject, right ?
Rather then having any hard feeling's, I figured it would be best to drop it.
<<<< none of this stuff.
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The actual point of this post was to connect with anyone else who mightve participated and to inform anyone not aware in case they wanted to participate. The point of my involvement was to support Free Speech. I hope everyone had a great weekend. Fiddle On!
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