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Solectia
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January 31, 2020 - 3:51 am
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Hi all, I'm a newbie at this forum. I'm playing violin for 5 years and I'm planning to do a bit extraordinary (for me) thing. I want to switch from the violin to the cello. I was inspired by this video

While I am searching for adult cello lessons, in parallel, I am trying to find out which cello is best for beginners. The question is what is better: to buy a cheap one for the first time or to buy a special one for beginners (maybe it’s easy to learn or easy to play)?

I now have these variants: Cremona SC-165 (for students) and Cecilio CCO-100 (budget). Are they good? Are there any other variants?

Thanks in advance!

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Solectia

Welcome to the forum, and good luck on finding a Cello to learn on. We have a few here who have crossed over to the cello, I'm sure CID and Intrepidgirl, Irv and others will chime in on the subject matter.

 

Mark 

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January 31, 2020 - 8:42 am
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@Solectia 

Hi! Welcome to the site. You were asking about beginner cellos. You said you have played violin for 5 years. I am assuming you are getting a pretty good sound from your violin. I am taking cello lessons, but have violins and viola that I am learning on my own. I am going to try to not be wordy, so if you have a question, just ask.

Here is a link to information on buying cellos that may be helpful.

https://consordini.com/best-ce.....lo-brands/

Buying it without hearing and holding it first is not something I have ever done, so my experience and reasoning will not help. But, it depends on availability in your area, so you purchase using whatever means you can. Maybe the above link may offer some assistance to your decision making. I also do not know your budget.

For the record, if your budget will allow you to purchase from the Fiddlershop, that is where I would go. I am NOT saying this because it is their forum, truly. It is not required. I purchased their Concert Deluxe violin and it is marvelous and the service was spectacular. So, if you have not checked to see if they have any offerings within your budget, check the cello at Fiddlershop, too. I have not purchased a cello there, but have done a violin. You can contact them for assistance and speak directly, or email back and forth discussing your needs. If in the end, the price is out of budget, move on. Just a thought, for alternative sources other than just Amazon. I have not checked their cellos and do not know their price range. There is a link to the Fiddlershop in the menu bar at the top of the forum page. I think it is the last option on the right, “shop”.

I really cannot offer any more than that because it is an online purchase, which I would not do for a cello, if I could find one elsewhere. I can’t say what sound quality to look for because you won’t be trying it out first, so remarking on fingerboard, sound, etc will not be useful to you.

There is one thing I will say. I suspect the bow will not be of quality. I would purchase a good cello bow. Check out Fiddlershop, if you need one. I believe you can return it if you are not happy, and get another. I just bought this one about a month ago. It is fantastic!

Fiddlerman Carbon Fiber Weave Cello Bow

I prefer wood, and I have a fairly good pernambuco wood, but this carbon weave bow is what I use now. It is has wonderful weight, balance, and feel. I generally do not like carbon fiber. This carbon weave is not like regular carbon and I will be getting one for my violin soon. You will need a good bow!

There are other options where you can find used instruments, but I am not getting into that. We were just lucky in those places.

Remember, you do not hold a cello, bow like a violin bow.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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January 31, 2020 - 10:08 am
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I now have these variants: Cremona SC-165 (for students) and Cecilio CCO-100 (budget). Are they good? Are there any other variants?

@Solectia 

In trying to be brief in my other post, I missed some points. I have been, jokingly, accused of being wordy. 😂

I would stay away from the budget one. You will not get anywheres near the cello sound you would enjoy hearing. For me, I need to know there is a point where my cello will sound good. Why waste money on that one? If you can afford the better one, you will definitely be more inclined to play. Trust me, I have been there with cello, violin and viola. It will make learning cello that much easier. 

The lesser quality will not be easier to play or learn on. It will, however, be less enjoyable. You already play violin. I have no doubt you will enjoy playing cello, so don’t waste the money on one you will want to replace right away. There is a big difference in the sound quality and that helps with the cello. You want that deep cello sound.

If it is between the two above, only, get the Cremona AND that Fiddlerman Carbon Weave Cello Bow that I provided the link for in my post above. I use Sarturo (?) rosin with that bow. Works great. I rosin maybe every three days and I play quite a bit. But, you may prefer a different rosin. I have many brands and some work better during different times of the year and on different bows. 

I recommend the Cremona between the two, but, I highly recommend checking the Fiddlershop to see what they have to offer. If you tell them the sound, etc you want, they can help. First hand help is better than an empty face on Amazon. Plus, you have a contact right there for assistance. Their customer service is second to none, really.

I hope this additional info helps.

There are a lot of useful tips in the Learning Cello section. I created an index with a listing of links and books that I have found useful. It is in that section somewhere. If you can’t find it, post a thread in the Learning Cello asking where it is and I will get the direct link to that index for you.

Again, welcome to the site!

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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January 31, 2020 - 4:09 pm
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U8@solectia and others.  I have not played or seen a cremona so I have no useful opinion.  I have seen and played a Cecilio cco-100 and it was, charitably, forgettable.  

There is an alternative to your list that may be serviceable.  Both cid and I have successfully employed a Cecilio electronic cello.  If you can find a used one or avail yourself of on line “warehouse” offers, it can be obtained for about the price of a cco-100 and is infinitely better (in that it is playable).  They tend to break when undergoing the rigours of shipping, so make sure you are protected in that regard.

I agree with cid that performance improves with a fiddler man carbon bow.  The included strings will get you going.  Edit:  I replaced my original strings for those of the Opera brand and have been highly pleased with them (about $10 for the set).  I replaced the pegs with knilling perfections, but the existing are adequate to start.

The cello needs a good deal more finger pressure on the fingerboard than a violin and I started by tuning to a=432 and worked my way up to the standard a=440 after about eight months.  

One more thing.  A full sized cello may well be too large for many people.  Electronic cellos are available in 3/4 size, and unlike their acoustic counterpart there is no tonal difference from a full sized one.  

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January 31, 2020 - 5:33 pm
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Keep in mind, if you want to hear the electronic cello, you need an amp and will also need it in your lesson. Personally, I would not have it as a main cello. I purchased mine for an issue I was having with my knee. I got the one with the missing right lower bout. Mine arrived undamaged. I also find vibrato more difficult on my electric, and someone else said the same thing. 

I don’t know how tall you are, also check a sizing chart. Google “cello sizing chart” and you should find one. 

I have never paid attention to those numbers Irv mentioned (sorry Irv, deaf ears here), and have never had issues. Just keep things simple, is my motto. Not sure how exactly precise you have to be with those. I just get the cello strings. 

Your violin teacher would probably be able to help you figure out the size, if (s)he plays cello, too.

They call me, “Mellow Cello” 

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My first cello and only cello so far is a NS Design WAV4. I love it 

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Just like violins, I don't think there's anything especially easy to play about a "beginner" cello -- that label just means it does everything that a beginner needs it to do.

I notice you live in a major city in the UK. Seeing as you already play violin, it would probably be a good idea to go to a violin shop and try out a few cellos. The bowing technique isn't quite the same, but it's close enough for you to get a decent idea of what you're looking for even if you haven't really started learning the cello.

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