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Has Anyone Experienced Problems Using Too Much Rosin?
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Gordon Shumway
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Gordon Shumway said
Since we appear to be looking forward to a pleasant August and September here in the UK, I think I'll allow this thread to inspire me to switch from Guillaume to Hill light for a while just out of curiosity.

  

I haven't yet, but I have started a piece of Bach (BWV1004 Allemanda) which makes me realise I must strive for perfectly smooth détaché. This might be more easily achieved with light rosin. I won't know until I've tried it.

As to the OP - Has Anyone Experienced Problems Using Too Much Rosin? - the sort of people who use too much are possibly not yet experienced enough to diagnose the problem accurately*. Just saying.

* But yes, I'm pretty sure I have.

P.S. I find an application of Guillaume lasts at least a day (i.e. 3 hours of playing), perhaps two, and if that's because I've over-applied it, it doesn't sound like it.

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I saw someone I'd take for being knowledgeable (YT) - saying we shouldn't do extra/fast swipes of rosin near the tip & frog. 

The reason: it heats up the rosin. 😶 

Now I'm thinking, how can THAT be bad?  Cape Breton & Irish Fiddlers whip their bows across the strings at a much higher speed AND longer duration!!! 

 

Btw, anyone know off hand what kind of rosin any of the Famous High-Speed Fiddlers use? 

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That's the first time I've seen that idea. And it makes zero sense to me. Playing has to generate much more heat. And why only the tip and frog?

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@AndrewH -

Yes, the 'heat' thing still doesn't really make sense to me.  I looked at the video again - the explanation was: the fast application of rosin heats the rosin, so it doesn't stick to the hair as well... REALLY MAKES NO SENSE! 

Wouldn't heated rosin become MORE STICKY?  ...I mean 'overly' heated rosin might make hairs stick together, but that would have to be pretty darn hot.

Btw, competitor violin shop.

I've seen many folks add extra rosin near the tip & frog, with a couple swipes the full length of the bow.  I don't know if they feel they play more at the tip & the frog (?)  I'm guilty of thinking I should apply a little extra where most of my bowing takes place. 

I can understand it might be better to apply the rosin evenly, the full length, just to keep the bow evenly loaded... idk.

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That's interesting. The advice I got early on was to add a little more rosin in the middle of the bow, because it gets used the most.

It also makes some sense to add a couple extra swipes at the tip, but not because of how much it gets used. The tip is farthest from the hand holding the bow, so the hairs aren't pressed against the rosin cake as hard, and it takes a little longer to pick up the same amount of rosin. I'm not sure why people would rosin more at the frog, though, unless they're playing music that calls for playing at the frog a lot (which is more common on viola than violin).

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I see people apply more to the tip. I assume its because it's harder to apply pressure there. I certainly can't see the point of applying more near the frog. But thinking more about it, I suppose people err on the side of applying too little pressure at the frog so that they don't crunch, so they need more grip for that reason.

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I play a lot near the frog. 

It's easier to get faster response on lower strings - without much rosin. 

 

I tried part of a new rosin sample set made by Tad Marks, today - called 'Lonesome Pine'

It came with 3 little 1" pieces: 'Original', 'Dark' & 'Smooth' - and they are all a little FRAGRANT!  ...nice surprise, reminded me of lemon verbena I think, pleasant! 

  • Dark: color is dark, but wow - heard EVERYTHING... more than I cared to. (lol) 
  • Original: color is dark also - surprised I really heard a big difference - think I found myself a new rosin for my new 6-string violin! 
  • Smooth: color is nice medium amber - haven't tried it yet, may wait until humidity comes up again.
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Guilty!

I just put Hill Premium on my bow. Playing BWV1004 Allemanda decided it sounded too scratchy (most important to get silky smooth détaché on that piece), so decided to wipe off the Premium and put on some light just out of curiosity. But after wiping off the Premium I decided to try the bow. Silky smooth!

Perhaps what we should be doing is rosining our bows every day, but then always wiping off the excess (and thereby perhaps rubbing some of the rosin further into the bow hair)?

Andrew

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