FORUM

Check out our Forum Rules. Lets keep this forum an enjoyable place to visit.

A A A
Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —






— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
When to shift and which position?
Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 (0 votes) 
Avatar
Kody
Member
Members
May 11, 2018 - 6:57 am
Member Since: May 10, 2018
Forum Posts: 14
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

 Hello All,

I've been using this website for the last couple of weeks and finally decided to join. One issue I'm having trouble with is knowing when you should shift and to which position when it isn't notated on the sheet music.

For Example, if i come across notes that are above the high C, I realize a shift is required but I'm not sure how to tell which position you need to shift to. Do you just look at the highest note and shift to the lowest position that would let you hit it?

For a little background; I've been playing for about 8 months and I'm just starting to learn 3rd position. Any advice is welcome; thanks!

Avatar
Fiddlerman
Fort Lauderdale
May 11, 2018 - 10:17 am
Member Since: September 26, 2010
Forum Posts: 13649

Hey KMrgn,
So many factors determine what position to shift to.
The highest note is one of them. Avoiding strange and awkward string changes, shifts that can easily be accomplished smoothly, effortlessly, and not too audibly. Possibility to shift while playing the open string or shift on a rest.... The list goes on and on. It's easier for me to look at a passage and explain why it would be more appropriate to shift in a certain way than to list all the factors.
Over time and with practice you will automatically choose the shifts that work the best for you.

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

Avatar
Kody
Member
Members
May 11, 2018 - 4:00 pm
Member Since: May 10, 2018
Forum Posts: 14
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thanks for the reply; that makes sense. I'm learning Crystallize and there are two trouble spots that involve shifting that i'm not sure how to approach. Most of the song is in 1st position so i can handle that; but these spots are kind of intimidating. I went ahead and attached some snippets of the music; maybe someone can give me some guidance on how they would approach these spots?

Thanks again!

Shifting-Sections.pngImage Enlarger

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments
Avatar
Fiddlerman
Fort Lauderdale
May 16, 2018 - 2:55 pm
Member Since: September 26, 2010
Forum Posts: 13649

Shifting-Sections.pngImage Enlarger

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

Avatar
Kody
Member
Members
May 16, 2018 - 10:02 pm
Member Since: May 10, 2018
Forum Posts: 14
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thanks! That helps out a lot

Avatar
Andrew Fryer
London, England
Honorary advisor
Members

Regulars
September 28, 2018 - 7:55 am
Member Since: August 1, 2016
Forum Posts: 264
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online

Fascinating stuff.

Im looking at The Lark in the Clear Air, arr. T. C. Kelly, which is an ABRSM grade 3 piece.

I don't have a file I can upload, but there are various people playing it on Youtube.

Its second half has some third position work, but how much? The youtube versions vary from all of it to only a little bit of it (with variants on where the shift down to first comes), to most, but not the very end. It's all a bit crazy and perhaps purely a matter of taste. But it's also in F, so maybe I can work something out from the example above.

Maybe I'll try to find a way to upload it and see what FM's preferred way is.

I always wanted to be a juvenile delinquent but my parents wouldn't let me.

Avatar
Fiddlerman
Fort Lauderdale
October 1, 2018 - 9:33 am
Member Since: September 26, 2010
Forum Posts: 13649

I'll be happy to help out.

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

Avatar
Andrew Fryer
London, England
Honorary advisor
Members

Regulars
October 1, 2018 - 10:06 am
Member Since: August 1, 2016
Forum Posts: 264
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online

Fiddlerman said
I'll be happy to help out.  

P1000681.JPGImage Enlarger

Is that clear enough? From the C after the 3 bars' rest. I've pencilled in some of the options. I hope they aren't distracting. I'd be really grateful to know how you'd play to the end.

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments

I always wanted to be a juvenile delinquent but my parents wouldn't let me.

Avatar
Fiddlerman
Fort Lauderdale
October 1, 2018 - 2:16 pm
Member Since: September 26, 2010
Forum Posts: 13649

I like most of your fingerings and could easily use them but can offer an alternative. If you feel comfortable using 2nd position, this is an option worth considering.  You can also tastefully slide with your third finger from the A to the Bb or do it subtly.

Sorry for offering too many options in one sheet. I would experiment with it musically and see what sounds the best bearing technique in mind as well.

P1000681.JPGImage Enlarger

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

Avatar
Andrew Fryer
London, England
Honorary advisor
Members

Regulars
October 1, 2018 - 2:31 pm
Member Since: August 1, 2016
Forum Posts: 264
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online

Fiddlerman said
I like most of your fingerings and could easily use them but can offer an alternative. If you feel comfortable using 2nd position, this is an option worth considering.  You can also tastefully slide with your third finger from the A to the Bb or do it subtly.

Sorry for offering too many options in one sheet. I would experiment with it musically and see what sounds the best bearing technique in mind as well.

P1000681.JPGImage Enlarger  

Fabulous, thanks, FM. I will practise every option, and see if I can get a feel for the style.

By the way, I'm having difficulty with louré bowing. Is that really for beginners?

I always wanted to be a juvenile delinquent but my parents wouldn't let me.

Avatar
Fiddlerman
Fort Lauderdale
October 1, 2018 - 2:37 pm
Member Since: September 26, 2010
Forum Posts: 13649
11sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Not really. It's like portato, a kind of like petted pulsating bowing. Each not in the slur is emphasized gently. Just make sure to keep the bow moving.

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

Avatar
Andrew Fryer
London, England
Honorary advisor
Members

Regulars
October 1, 2018 - 2:39 pm
Member Since: August 1, 2016
Forum Posts: 264
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
12sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Is it more about pressure than bow speed?

I always wanted to be a juvenile delinquent but my parents wouldn't let me.

Avatar
Fiddlerman
Fort Lauderdale
October 1, 2018 - 2:49 pm
Member Since: September 26, 2010
Forum Posts: 13649
13sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Yes. I agree with that.

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 231

Currently Online: Fiddlerman, yellowdresses, Andrew Fryer
66 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Members Birthdays
sp_BirthdayIcon
Today None
Upcoming kevoxyde, Freq, Ginnysg, lakelivr, harvestman, happyjet, fiddlinmama, 8r4d, Raef

Top Posters:

Mad_Wed: 2849

.: 2671

Fiddlestix: 2647

Oliver: 2439

DanielB: 2379

Kevin M.: 1969

damfino: 1827

cdennyb: 1814

TerryT: 1726

Ferret: 1575

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 2

Members: 16486

Moderators: 0

Admins: 6

Forum Stats:

Groups: 16

Forums: 58

Topics: 7360

Posts: 91881

Newest Members:

DaniilKex, Aurinadaraderfory, peggyko1, alisoneh60, juliazb18, Bragasaderfory

Administrators: Fiddlerman: 13646, KindaScratchy: 1728, coolpinkone: 4141, BillyG: 2583, MrsFiddlerman: 0, Jimmie Bjorling: 0