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Come to the Swallow Tail Jig party!
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Fiddlerman
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Thanks to both of you. Great job.

Posture? Did you see the video of Doug Kershaw. LOL
Course he can hold it many different ways.

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i was sent a message and asked to post this  ireland-4202

 

 

 

http://youtu.be/oP58UmujMqA

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I loved it all Barry, great job~! I especially liked the intro to the first piece and how bouncy it was. Bravo!

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Aw Shucks Barry! Your video is private.cry

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That was great, Barry! I love the lead in. Will have to try that. Thanks for coming to the party!

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Awesome, Barry. That was great. Love it.

Thank you for posting.

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Katie thought she would join this party lol so here is her bit.

http://youtu.be/D2Yz3i3Eyfsviolin_girl

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Wow, some really great partying going on here.  Fantastic entries all of you!

 

As @KindaScratchy has kicked off this party with a guitar accompaniment, I chose to use my ukulele.  The result was a bit of a reggae rhythm.  

 

 

 

Thanks for starting this KS, this was really fun and these mini-projects are teaching me many things.  By the time the next big FM project rolls around, I should be more than ready to tackle it.

 

Party On!jimi-hendrix

 

Edit: @anonkid Heh, let nobody ever doubt that Katie is actually reading the music and follows it well.  We had a discussion in the chatbox the other day about how those last two endings are reversed, they should match the endings in part 1.

 

 

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@anonkid: what a great job! Katie.

Awesome, our youngest member is doing so well. I'm impressed.

Keep up the good work, Katie.

 

@OldCrow: well done, both your violin and ukelele playing. Made me want to pick up one and start learning.

Keep up the good work, OC.

 

If you allow me to chime in a bit. I looked at KS pdf and it's fine, not reversed, but maybe it's not quite clear as all of those notations are transcriptions of a traditional tune and there're some conventionally playing agreements that are not notated down clearly.

This is a 32 bar basic jig, dance tune usually playing twice (or 3 times), symmetrical and divided into 2 parts. For notation, each part is 8 bar long (playing twice), which consisted of the part melody and a tag. In basic form, the same tag is used for both A and B parts. As pickup notes serve to lead into the part melody, tag serves as a transitional phrase to either repeat the current playing part, switch to the other part through its pickup notes or to another tune.

For Swallowtail Jig, its A and B part melodies are only 4 1/2 bar long, the remaining 3 1/2 bar is the tag. Notice that 3 1/2 bar section is the same for both A and B part.

 

So at the last bar of a tag, the last one or two notes (in question) on the sheet are not the ending. It's the beginning and is/are the pickup note(s) of the next playing part.

As player reaching the last bar of a tag, there are several options. In usually playing convention, if A part melody is repeated then squeezing in its pickup note as the last note of the bar and still keeping the bar length correct, for switching to B part melody then doing the same with its pickup note, for playing other tune then using its pickup note(s) instead, and for finishing the tune then just play the whole bar long with its ending note, omitting the pickup note. Also there is option not to use any pickup note as well.

The F# in question, which is at the very first 1 ending is actually the A part melody pickup note, which is not explicitly notated (for easier understanding, it's usually written at the very beginning, outside of and before the first bar (the starting bar of A part melody). And also that F# is at the very end of the sheet which is suggesting to go back to A part melody again to play the whole tune one more time as that 32 bar is too short for people to dance, playing only once. It's sometimes played 3 times or continuously with one or more jigs to make the dance more enjoyable, so called set playing.

So for ending of the tune, the F# should not be played as it's the A part melody pickup note.

Hope that this clear some, or confuse some more, lol. I try.

 

Anyway, great jobs, both of you and I'm so proud for you.

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Wow! I love Katie's rendition! I especially like her phrasing in the B part. Her intonation sounds really good and, as usual, she attacks the tune with gusto.

@OldCrow is right... @RosinedUp pointed out an error in the sheet music the other night. The endings are reversed. I got the music from an ABC notation file that I found on line and didn't notice the error before I posted the PDF. I meant to fix it and re-post it but haven't had a chance yet.

@OldCrow - I love the reggae twist you put on STJ!

It's fun hearing different interpretations of a tune!

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woo hoo..what a party.. and the hits keep coming.

 

Katie!!! yay.. I mean.. SUPER YAY!

 

OCF.. dynamite.. Loved your duet..

 

Keep  it coming folks.

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KindaScratchy said

@OldCrow is right... @RosinedUp pointed out an error in the sheet music the other night. The endings are reversed. I got the music from an ABC notation file that I found on line and didn't notice the error before I posted the PDF. I meant to fix it and re-post it but haven't had a chance yet.

It seems I was not exactly right.  As written, the piece ends on F#, which is certainly no good, and I did notice that.  Swapping the endings in question would sound better than the way it is written, I believe, but ...

This might help you understand ratvn's explanation.  To get enough duration out of the piece, it might be played AABBAABB.  Half-way through all that (at the end of the 2nd playing of the B part) the F# is a pickup for the third playing of the A part.  On the final (4th) playing of the B part, a rest is substituted for the F#, and the playing is done.  @ratvn informs me that that may be what is done despite it being contrary to what is written.

I would have written it with the F# as the first note in the piece, out in front of everything, as a pickup to the A part, and would have replaced the F# in the 2nd ending of part B with a rest.

@KindaScratchy , we discussed a similar notational issue one time, a couple months ago, perhaps.

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Great playing everyone.  clap birthday_balloon

 

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Katie > you ROCK > you play great > it sounded SWEET!!

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OldCrow > I really like how you improvised that > it was SWEET!!!!!!!!!

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cheerleaderWOW, I'm impressed with you ALL !

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RosinedUp said
This might help you understand ratvn's explanation.  To get enough duration out of the piece, it might be played AABBAABB.  Half-way through all that (at the end of the 2nd playing of the B part) the F# is a pickup for the third playing of the A part.  On the final (4th) playing of the B part, a rest is substituted for the F#, and the playing is done.  @ratvn informs me that that may be what is done despite it being contrary to what is written.

Yeah, that makes sense.   I misunderstood what @ratvn was saying in the chat,  I took it to mean he was backing up what you had said by saying that switching the endings would then make it fit the form of a jig.   By playing part A again, it certainly does provide a better resolve for the overall tune.

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OldCrow said

RosinedUp said
This might help you understand ratvn's explanation.  To get enough duration out of the piece, it might be played AABBAABB.  Half-way through all that (at the end of the 2nd playing of the B part) the F# is a pickup for the third playing of the A part.  On the final (4th) playing of the B part, a rest is substituted for the F#, and the playing is done.  @ratvn informs me that that may be what is done despite it being contrary to what is written.

Yeah, that makes sense.   I misunderstood what @ratvn was saying in the chat,  I took it to mean he was backing up what you had said by saying that switching the endings would then make it fit the form of a jig.   By playing part A again, it certainly does provide a better resolve for the overall tune.

Makes sense to me, too. The best part is that I don't have to revise the sheet music.

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Thanks for the explanations, @ratvn  and @RosinedUp .

 

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Thanks everyone for your great contributions.

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Love that topic! Thanks to all the video(audio)-posters! You've made my day, guys!

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