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markcobb said

Any time you are publicly performing, […] you are being judged just as much on appearance as your playing ability. 

That's probably true – but only if you want to be a public musician. I think it all depends on what you seek while playing. Different people have different reasons for doing music (and that's perfectly fine of course 🙂 ). Mine don't include public performing (here is as public as I get, and you're demonstrating your point that the public judges on appearances), and definitely not turning into an actress, so to speak.

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markcobb said
Any time you are publicly performing, […] you are being judged just as much on appearance as your playing ability. 

That's probably true – but only if you want to be a public musician. I think it all depends on what you seek while playing. Different people have different reasons for doing music (and that's perfectly fine of course 🙂 ). Mine don't include public performing (here is as public as I get, and you're demonstrating your point that the public judges on appearances), and definitely not turning into an actress, so to speak.  

"Any time you are publicly performing, […] you are being judged"

There he's making the case why you maybe feel like you wanna protect yourself. There are nice people online, but there are also very nasty people.

The question whether you have to expose yourself or not is a question of pay. Mark simply doesn't pay us well enough.

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The users in this forum are mostly hobby violinists. They don't have to do anything. Many of them are struggling with their instruments and some are downright suffering! So if they film themselves while practicing you can't expect them to put on a professional show. You can't even expect them to look good.

It takes at least 5 or 6 years to learn to fully master a musical instrument. Very few of us may later be so happy to make a living by just playing the violin. If you then want to hear and see them, you have to pay for that, so they can eat and have a place to live. Then they really have to enhance their show for the money they get. All we hobby players have a perfect right to look awful or not appear at all.

A professional musician has a full calendar which tells he/she makes enough money to make a living: Today Miami, tomorrow Los Angeles, after tomorrow Chicago etc./etc. .....

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My violin is a 3/4 violin, made for right-handed players, though I play it left-handed. As I felt she was the best in the shop of all 3/4 violins I tried and the luthier agreed. I prefer Obligato strings together with Eudoxa E string. Self-made bow, weight: 24 g / 0.85 oz

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Demoiselle said

The question whether you have to expose yourself or not is a question of pay. Mark simply doesn't pay us well enough.

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From one perspective, that kinda sums things up exactly

Mark's obviously more than eloquent enough to zing back but, if I understood his comments from p.1, he's also talking about the intrinsic benefit of smiling to yourself and others in general. No pay, no obligation but sometimes someone smiles back (even if just the mirror) and your body thanks you with a little endorphin kick. fireworks_gif

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@bocaholly It's alright. I meant no harm to anyone, just the advice of a 41 year professional musician with 35 years in the public eye. If I had known I would have been corrected, ridiculed, even insulted, this much by people in one place, I would have never come to this site. I don't know why this Demoiselle interjected her or himself into the conversation in the first place, or why they keep referencing me with insulting tone. I was just trying to help someone that has considerable talent. Maybe it is that crab theory in demonstration, you know, where the people with lesser talent try to hold the more talented back, out of jealousy or insecurity. Maybe he/she has an issue with there own appearance and this is why it is so important that I be shamed, redirecting attention away from itself. Considering the consistent insistence in hiding one's face, I assume she is man that doesn't want to be found out and tries much to hard to blend in and over sympathizes with the women on this site.  Whatever the issue is, it should keep it's personal issues to itself instead of projecting onto those of us that care less about it's feelings. Oh and Baroque sucks, the most dreadful and ear numbing dribble ever played.

@wtw I apologize to you, for this nightmare to have appeared on your posting. If I have offended you in any way, please forgive me. Your playing is lovely and your talent is growing.

To my friends, I say goodbye. I will not subject myself to this nonsense any further. 

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markcobb said....To my friends, I say goodbye. I will not subject myself to this nonsense any further.   

Let's all take a time out. This is entirely unnecessary. I for one love reading your posts Mark and do not feel that you were offensive. 

I also feel that it is acceptable to give opinions and comments. I didn't see your post about smiling as being sexist either. I have suggested to players, not just women, to smile. It's not necessary but it makes the person look like they are enjoying themselves more.

And as Demoiselle wrote, sometimes you should cry as well..... And smiling with some genres, such as baroque, may not be appropriate. 🙂

Neither one of you needs to get offended by the others opinion. I missed most of the thread because you guys were writing in German and I didn't take the time to translate it. Let's just take a deep breath and be careful what we write until things cool down.

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

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Well, one shouldn't overlook the irony in my words. Somehow I meant it too, but it's true that this aspect is not too important. Maybe I should restrict my posting here to non-fun musical facts, so nobody can misunderstand my fun conversation style.

My violin is a 3/4 violin, made for right-handed players, though I play it left-handed. As I felt she was the best in the shop of all 3/4 violins I tried and the luthier agreed. I prefer Obligato strings together with Eudoxa E string. Self-made bow, weight: 24 g / 0.85 oz

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markcobb said

To my friends, I say goodbye. I will not subject myself to this nonsense any further.   

I don't think you offended anybody here. Your stuff was rather mild provocations and that's not offensive at all.

My violin is a 3/4 violin, made for right-handed players, though I play it left-handed. As I felt she was the best in the shop of all 3/4 violins I tried and the luthier agreed. I prefer Obligato strings together with Eudoxa E string. Self-made bow, weight: 24 g / 0.85 oz

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Sure, there's no need to leave markcobb.

The "smile question" is a subject that can indeed be discussed with a variety of viewpoints (where would be the fun if we all shared the same 😉 ?)
And I think it may well also be, in part, a cultural difference (that's actually an interesting subject…).

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wtw said
Sure, there's no need to leave markcobb.
The "smile question" is a subject that can indeed be discussed with a variety of viewpoints (where would be the fun if we all shared the same 😉 ?)
And I think it may well also be, in part, a cultural difference (that's actually an interesting subject…).  

Difference and culture, I like that combination. Culture like for instance this?

https://www.maskworld.com/germ.....emarketing

Which is incredibly pretty, but way too expensive. So I will probably have to make something like that myself.

Actually, the pictures of the video I'm planning look quite beautiful on my mind and the mask looks beautiful too. The question is whether the result of a video shooting will match that. I'm a bit afraid of that.

My violin is a 3/4 violin, made for right-handed players, though I play it left-handed. As I felt she was the best in the shop of all 3/4 violins I tried and the luthier agreed. I prefer Obligato strings together with Eudoxa E string. Self-made bow, weight: 24 g / 0.85 oz

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@wtw I forgot to ask what Irish tune you played, the first video. I really love it and would want to learn it in the future. Seems quit difficult but it’s so beautiful! 

 Life isn’t about waiting for the storm to pass. It’s about dancing in the rain!!

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That was Dick Gossip (a reel). Not the easiest but I like it a lot.

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@wtw Thank you ? I looked at the music and it’s quit difficult but you played it very good ?

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An experimentation in Christmas spirit. I don't try that often, it's getting easier but still giving me a hard time !

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WTW, 

Thanks for the post, playing and singing are difficult, but it tends to get easier in time as you do it more.

Mark

Master the Frog and you have mastered the bow.

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True. The difficult bit is not singing in itself, but singing different notes than the ones you're playing. Takes me a great deal of concentration but I do intend to practice 🙂 (on slooow songs).

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Very impressive, playing and singing at the same time! A difficult job indeed but you did it very well ? Thanks for sharing! 

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Very nice wtw. 

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