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@starise -

Hey, Tim! 

I just found a great site that you might benefit from!

A little different approach to getting better tone from your violin and can help get past frustration and plateaus. 

I posted it in this thread I started. 

https://fiddlerman.com/forum/l.....s/#p120586

 

Hope you haven't given up on us here! 

Of all your compositions, which one is your favorite?

 

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You have a cat, don't you?

Btw, many of the fiddling cat GIFs I use - available as Greeting Cards from various vendors at etsy.com (no association with me).

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I am sorry I took awhile to get back here. Lots going on and I guess I had to think how I was going to respond to some of it. Those two things held me back for a bit.

I very much appreciate all of these great ideas and suggestions from you Emily and others. 

Being one with the instrument the Zen part of it I'm still working on. One of the things my teacher was attempting to work on with me was dynamics.Of course for me, that concept was extra hard to grasp with the side note that I'm not "in the string". Dynamics on the violin to me so far is nothing similar to anything else. To get from soft to loud we must start off soft and know what that sounds like going from one to the other. The dynamic range seems very narrow on the violin to me. 

One of the other main points I think my teacher tried to help me with was bow length, bow speed, knowing when to go to a down bow or when to know you need to only use part of a bow as compared to using a whole bow. I think I have a decent grasp on that part of it. Part of that ties in with feeling the rhythm of the tune being played and looking at the way it's written. Knowing when to accentuate the beats or else everything sound monotonous. If I knew it all I wouldn't need a teacher though. One thing I was told often by several players who heard me play online is I was attempting to play TOO FAST. Most classical players suggested I needed to slow down to get my techniques right. I was told this multiple times....so I know it's a thing I need to work on. I guess in the beginning on the Irish tunes no one plays slow so neither did I. Never mind I was missing a bunch of the good stuff when I played that fast. My brain was telling me I SHOULD be able to play fast, when my hands and fingers were having a tough time getting there accurately. Possibly my rush to attempt perfection worked against me and probably why 2 years playing the same stuff almost drove me crazy. Who knows? Maybe I am crazy.

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Don't give up, one persons opinion is just that - one opinion. The world has some people who want to put others down instead of being kind and encouraging, I have had that experience on another online violin platform (not this lovely forum).  You have come so far with your playing already. Don't doubt yourself.

 

"It is not the mountain we conquer but ourselves" - Sir Edmund Hillary

  

Well I can only guess which it was and I don't really need to know but it sounds an awfully lot like another place I once went and was actually kicked off from for posting a picture I thought was funny. I digress.

Since then I have attempted to go back, rejoin ( talk about eating humble pie) and they see my web location and won't let me back in. I wanted to be able to ask a question. Not make any trouble. FWIW I was on there for a few years with zero issue. Someone just decided I was out for good. To be honest I probably didn't fit there anyways.

I was on another paid lesson site with a pretty good teacher, but I didn't like the lack of connectivity to the student. When learning through zoom there are things I am convinced a teacher can't see or pick up on....and they are only as concerned as the next payment. Not that she didn't try to be concerned with my individual playing issues. I believe she made the best attempts to help me she could make given that these were payed remote lessons. My take on it is Zoom lessons are better than nothing and they can potentially help, but not as good as a real in person teacher and the reason I commuted another 20 miles each week after a long day at work to be with my last teacher. 

I was watching a documentary on drumming and drummers last night. The reason I mention it is because a long time drummer commented that the drumming community was very accessible and down to earth. I though to myself what a contrast this is when comparing "violinists". Let's just say that with the exception of Fiddlerman who is one of the best people out there who play both as a player and as a human being, and a few folks on this forum many of whom have commented, my experiences have been tipped in the wrong direction. Fiddlerman is the kind of person I feel I could go fishing with( or anything else) and we would get on just fine. If he picks up a violin though I'm just going to listen lol.

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@starise -

Hey, Tim! 

I just found a great site that you might benefit from!

A little different approach to getting better tone from your violin and can help get past frustration and plateaus. 

I posted it in this thread I started. 

https://fiddlerman.com/forum/l.....s/#p120586

 

Hope you haven't given up on us here! 

Of all your compositions, which one is your favorite?

 

https://i.etsystatic.com/9225912/r/il/040438/1394137118/il_794xN.1394137118_75qv.jpg

 

You have a cat, don't you?

Btw, many of the fiddling cat GIFs I use - available as Greeting Cards from various vendors at etsy.com (no association with me).

- Emily

  

Hi Emily,

I will check this out.Thanks! No I don't have a cat but I have two Yorkies. They are almost like cats lol.

I don't really have a favorite. Most of my recent ones I am not particularly happy with musically because I wanted to put more into them. I have something like 132? online. I loose count. I hid a few I decided I should have never put up and I feel I should probably take more down since they are works in progress.

One thing I was working on was recording the violin instead of a sampled violin. I was playing with a new program I bought that removes little noises from an audio track.( Izotope RX pro ) Hopefully as I have time off during the holidays I can play with that some more.

Some of the things I've done got way more attention that I expected while others I worked harder on got less. Go figure. I've stopped most of my self promotion and haven't payed any service to put my stuff up other than soundcloud which is a yearly fee. At one time I would post a new track and go around to 3 or 4 or my message boards and put the word out, which would always generate a few listens making me feel that at least someone heard it. The nature of online music in general is just not good so far as exposure is concerned, and I'm not really pushing anything into the public eye. Soundcloud has changed.  I often can't  post my track in the correct genre there without creating a custom one. Much of that has put me at the bottom of any search engine.

Not that I really care any more. :)

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UPDATE- I  was pulled back out of my slump. I agreed to play for a church event but the material pushes my limits. It's the tune " God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" with " The Star Of Munster" added to the song. The composer used Star Of Munster as filler between the verses.

After I accepted we were told the mid week practice was cancelled so we will be practicing it the morning of the event about an hour before we go on. Needless to say I am a little nervous that our trial run will be so late.

We'll see. I have been going over and over it. I'm the only fiddle and I can't predict what the other musicians will be doing. OTOH This seems sudden. On the other, I have been practicing for this for over 7 tears. If I look at it that way it helps.

-Tim

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  @starise - good to hear that Tim, really good to know you have found a path out of that slump!

  Enjoy the performance when it comes around - even although the 1 hour combined practise sounds somewhat rushed - honestly - it's gonna be fine !!!   ^5s man and keep us updated !  thumbs-up 

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@starise and others -

Update to previous post - check out Tim's link ( his WebSite icon, top right of his posts) - it's on SoundCloud (and I agree with what he wrote about the way soundcloud has changed over the years - still registered there myself, but never post now ) - in fact - here's a clickable link -

You will find a lot of nicely structured arrangements of both familiar and unique and new-to-you pieces.  Nice listening.   

A lot of work from a talented musician - well done Tim hats_off

Bill ( Aka "Bill Songster" on SoundCloud !!! )

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@starise - 

I am very excited for you! 

It sounds like a lot of pressure to put on yourself, but sounds like you're ready for it. 🤗 

 

I haven't used 'SoundCloud' before, so I took time to look over your music there. 

You've got some amazing compositions & arrangements there! 

Why aren't you enjoying your violin with all of the wonderful pieces you've created? 

SharonC started a Christmas party.  It would be great if you could join in and play one of your pieces for it - after you have finished your performance, of course (no pressure here). 

https://fiddlerman.com/forum/p.....mas-party/

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Best of Luck to you! 

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Thanks BillyG and Emily for comments on my site and encouragement. The reason you don't hear much violin ion my site is because I still am not happy with the recording quality. Seems effortless when fiddlerman does it.

 The score calls for 112bpm which I can play. The guide recording seems much faster top me. Here is what I'm supposed to play. Any and all suggestions welcome.

I'll report when it's over how it all went. We stream the video so I could theoretically play it back. I'm a glutton for punishment.

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Aye, go for it Tim @starise !!!

Hey - I was just recalling something you wrote earlier - let me find it....   OK - this is it -

Let's just say that with the exception of Fiddlerman who is one of the best people out there who play both as a player and as a human being, and a few folks on this forum many of whom have commented, my experiences have been tipped in the wrong direction. Fiddlerman is the kind of person I feel I could go fishing with( or anything else) and we would get on just fine. If he picks up a violin though I'm just going to listen lol.

So -  @"yourself" Tim, hey - you're not the only one that thinks that!

And ^5s @Fiddlerman - you inspire so many of us !  Cool bro' !!!

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@starise -

I think it's definitely a challenge to play something that fast and still have it sound good. 

I'm sure you've got this!

Looking forward to your performance! 

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Apologies firstly @starise - this is related to Emily's post above, and not directly to your topic as originally posted ...

@ELCBK - I know what you mean.   Let's take a "nice round number" for bpm to work with - say a score indicates 120 bpm in a 4/4 time sig.   So what's that mean?  

Easy - one bar is 4 beats so that's 4/120 th of a minute  - which = 1/30 th of a minute, or in other words 2 seconds ( per bar in 4/4 time ).  And yes, it's even more apparent just looking at the "note by note" timing (if they were ALL one-quarter notes) then each note lasts for 1/2 second ( and the 4 notes per bar would make the bar last 2 seconds) - straightforward, obviously.  Nothing new in that.

So where do the "issues about bpm and speed of playing, etc...") come from ?

Again - easy - for something played all the way through in 1/4 notes at 120 bpm, you have 0.5 seconds between note changes - whether you slur or direction change- anyway - that's  a relatively long time.  (Yes, for a beginner, especially one new to music in general, then sure, doing ALL the stuff including getting to grips with sight-reading - of course that's difficult - I'm not making light of this discussion in any way)

But let's say all the notes-as-scored ( at 120 bpm ) happen to be 1/8th notes (rather than the way bpm is calculated - which in this example of 4/4 time is in 1/4 notes ) - then effectively your bowing and fingering speed is twice that indicated by the bpm of the score - i.e. still 120 bpm, but also, 240 "note changes per minute" - so in a sense "you're playing twice as fast" as "indicated" by the 120bpm on the score...  It is all relative.....

Numbers can be "in some way scary" - when I started with the fiddle, 120bpm sounded INSANE.....  I of course quickly learned and realised - 120 bm is NOT insane - it's really all about just "getting the feel" for a 4/4 piece which happens to be notated in 1/8ths ( or worse!  ) - all it takes are the three P's -  Practise (many times), Play (several times), Perform (occasionally!) - and it will ALL COME TOGETHER !!!!  I know it can initially look difficult to do, but we just need to work-with-it and it WILL fall into place.

Emily - I KNOW you understand this already - my words above weren't directed at you, just sharing my thoughts steered by your comment, hopefully as some help to others...

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Don't mind me, Tim... 

I think most Irish music is played too fast. 🤣 

 

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@starise 

Good luck and enjoy your performance at the church event!

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Thats a cool arrangement Tim @starise !  Thats gonna be fun I bet and sure youll do great!  Hows the new fiddle settling in?

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starise,

Very neat Arrangement,  also you compositions on sound cloud are very good I agree with BillyG on his statement 

"You will find a lot of nicely structured arrangements of both familiar and unique and new-to-you pieces.  Nice listening.   

A lot of work from a talented musician - well done Tim hats_off"

We all get discouraged with our playing a month ago I was ready to stick the fiddles under the bed and be done with them.

I've changed my mind since then,  (just like a woman's does dazed) but we all have those thoughts.

Enjoy your performance, it will go good.

Mark

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Thanks to all who commented here since I dropped in the last time. I hope all are well.

 Mark, Very much appreciated. let's me know I'm not alone. I appreciate the comments by all on the music I made.

The violin is working out great ABitRusty.

Unfortunately the broadcast video feed barely picked up my violin. I will still post the recording. Maybe you can make some of it out.

Thanks for the invite to the Christmas party Emily. 

I was up most of the night with a stomach issue so I didn't go into work. A few hours later I felt better. Maybe what I really need is retirement. The reason I bring this up is I had time to make a few violin videos. One track wonders lol. No second passes.

Since the broadcast didn't pick up my part very well I decided to record myself playing the song Star Of Munster at a more typical tempo, then I sped it up to the tempo they wanted me to play it. I think the song looses some luster at a faster speed. I also played a song called The Sailor's Bonnet.

This was a learning experience for me in playing on a church WT. I think I'll do better next time. The violin was louder in the live setting than it will be here. I think it can be difficult to fit the violin into these contexts. I was really playing to probably my limits on speed for it. My old teacher would have said I needed to dig the bow in more. A tough thing to do and play faster. 

If the time stamp doesn't come up go to about 28:30 on the video. This is where the song begins. Of all the instruments mine seems to be the least heard. Wrong mic? Too far away? Not sure.

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@starise -  

BRAVO! 

Your performance at the Church was fabulous -
I truly enjoyed it! 

Once you settled into the Star of Munster video, it was great.  

The Sailor's Bonnet was really nice, too!  

I'm SO GLAD you picked up your fiddle, again -

Thank you for sharing your performance and these tunes! 

 

- Emily

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congrats on this Tim!  star of munster aint no easy tune to play... Id like to be able to one day.. and performing in that setting makes the challenge, it would seem to me, even more difficult.. great job!   like your sailors bonnet take too!  Im thinking a live performance badge is in your future for this one!! 

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@starise  Great job!  thumbs-upTough tune to play, & pretty quick!  Thanks for sharing with us - and congrats in advance on your live performance badge! smile

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