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Best way to start the REALLY young on violin?
!st steps for familiarizing toddlers and preschool kids with the violin?
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@ELCB and others.  

The method described in your linked article hacks the tuning of a chromatic tuner by adjusting the a=hertz number for each string.  Life is too short for me to consider that.  I suggest you download an app to a smart phone for a few dollars (my electronic tuner that offers different tunings is fragile and costs many times more used on eBay).

My fingers naturally go to the right space with Pythagorean tuning because my brain no longer needs to accommodate tuning “errors.”

As for the adjustment of fingerboard cheat lines from lower tuning; I needed to start at a lower tuning pitch when I started the cello (a=432) and I increased the tuning 2 hertz a month as my fingers got stronger.  The lines did not move for that experiment.  Nut to bridge distance remained constant.  

My reasoning for this was based on an Ancient Greek wrestler that carried a bull calf on his shoulders throughout the day as a training method.  He was undefeated for a span of several olympics (I go into it more on another thread).  

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Irv - Thanks for clearing that up for me!

Ha!  Heard similar stories of a distant cousin that lifted progressively larger baby animals while studying to be a Large Animal Veterinarian!

 

- Emily

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@ELCB .  One of my favorite books is Circus Doctor by J. Y. Henderson.  If possible, get an old copy of the hard cover since the more recent paperback is greatly abridged.  He was the large animal animal vet for Ringling Brothers Circus.  The grand kids would love it.  

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Irv - Thank you!

Alas, none of my Grandkids will get to experience a real Circus... almost started to tell you my whole childhood story of working for vets and with animals (1 exotic animal vet, too).

 

- Emily

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So, my experiment in subliminal violin education may not have gone as planned...

Later, the Kids were asked if they think they would like to learn to play the violin - only the 2nd oldest (6) piped up, "I'd like to but Mommy won't let me play a instrument in the house".  I think this had to do with when she got her hands on a plastic recorder and tooted 1 very piercing note (loudly) for 2hrs!

The remaining Kids expressed they'd rather learn traditional Japanese magic. lumpy-2134

Maybe next time I'll lead with this video -

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At least they've enjoyed watching "music theory (for kids)!

Actually, I probably need to just keep showing them little kids their age playing with the violin.

 

- Emily

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@ELCB and others.  I often see golf clubs on the side of the road.  I do not play but I think the term I want is an iron.  It has a shaft with a metal projection on the end with which to hit the ball.  If a small hole were drilled near the end of the projection and a means to wind a string made near the grip, an air filled balloon (acting as a bridge) should project sound when the string was plucked.  The pitch would change when a finger depressed the string on the shaft.  Might work.

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Irv -

6 Fenómenos que la ciencia aún no puede explicar. Enterate ...

Why not metal tubing (cut a piece from cheap/failed gazebo or tent frame people always trash) instead of a golf iron? 

Drill hole or cut notches in ends?

Best string or cord?

Some balloons have thicker membranes - Balloon filled with air or water..........

 

- Emily

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@ELCB .  I have edited original post to reflect an air filled balloon.  The golf club was referenced due to being easily obtained and having a rigid structure.  The down side is they offer a lot of angular momentum if used as a clubbing mechanism.

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Irv -

I've been isolated too long.  Just meant for you to see how wonderful you've set my brain on

Fire on JoyPixels 6.0

Haven't had this much fun in a long time - probably since I used to do custom artwork for Home Decorators/their clients!

Love your ideas.

 

- Emily

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@ELCB and others.  I am currently working on a unsolicited study to update a space toilet for nasa (who is dangling a cash reward for new ideas).  Bocaholly is acting as my editor and is in a constant state of hysteria over its contents.

I am also thinking of making a viola with a styrofoam corpus, using this photo as an example.  I keep things lively at the homestead.11DA3125-1E6C-4090-B095-312961C17CA5.jpegImage Enlarger

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We got a little off track in this thread! 

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/13/4e/69134e1634a4a901e2ec2618a8fae67d.jpg

I recently bought the "Beginner Violin Theory For Children - Book One" by Melanie Smith, from FIDDLERSHOP (hint, hint) & thought about posting a "Review" on the forum (did at the Fiddlershop).  I decided it might be better served in this thread. 

Here's my review -

"What little kid doesn't love an activity book (no such animal)!
Almost all of my Grandkids are enjoying the interactive learning from this book (the youngest isn't 2, yet - so he doesn't really count).
We've only just begun, but it's a wonderful learning aid - helping our youngest Grandkids' step into the new "World of Written Music" after learning to sing "Do, Re, Mi" from the "Sound of Music".
Invaluable tool to help children explore the language of music (and how to identify parts of a violin/bow) - while having FUN!
I only have one problem with this book... it doesn't show/explain the relationship between the "Violin" and written music. Maybe fixed by labeling the strings and pointing out which string the notes are on, etc..." 

The more I think about it, I really don't see "Violin Theory" here (as the book title implies) - just some basic Music Theory.

I think it is important to show (early on) what a violin's relationship actually is to written music, at least how this language is connected to the violin strings. 

Confused Head Scratching EmoticonsMaybe it is addressed in subsequent books, but it could have made a HUGE impact in this book!  Okay, puts me in the position where I have to address it with the Kids & they don't want to listen to "Nana", but if it's in a "Book"... it's a whole other story (lol).

Well, maybe I can come up with a supplemental page or 2 for the Kids (sigh) - really don't want to think about writing a book for toddlers, right now (lol).

Even so, I want to recommend this book - IT'S A GREAT BOOK FOR YOUNG CHILDREN (or your Grandkids)! 

https://media.istockphoto.com/vectors/covid-19-coronovirus-teacher-and-young-children-violinists-play-the-vector-id1215345988?k=6&m=1215345988&s=612x612&w=0&h=ob51oQ_IzDCjDdfV0F9xcEIGintquN0OMvIQw6s5Byc=- Emily 

Here's the actual Book's description - 

This book is designed as a workbook to teach theory specifically relevant to the violin at a level that is attainable and challenging, yet fun for young children. It is intended to build confidence and solidify the relationship between theory and playing. Children will enjoy the drawing and coloring activities in the book, while developing the fundamentals of violin theory at the same time. The book can be used to teach beginners the basics of theory, or even to refresh musicians who might need a small review of violin theory. No matter who uses this book, it will give a strong foundation to violin theory, and through this understanding will foster a greater love of playing. Concepts covered in this book include: learning the parts of the violin; learning about line and space notes; learning musical symbols; and how to draw music

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The thought of both teaching violin to a "toddler/pre-school kid" - and buying them books of theory too - worries me a bit. If they have shown a love of playing, then I might buy them an activity book, but not before.

I'd suggest, teach them to sing songs they can play on the violin, then teach them to play them on the violin.

In order of difficulty (i.e. rhythmically)

Twinkle Twinkle Little Star

Old MacDonald had a Farm.

Happy Birthday to You

That's enough to be starting with.

I wouldn't normally recommend Suzuki, but book 1 is aimed at the right level and age group.

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Gordon Shumway - 

Guess this book just helps with "preparing for the violin".

Been singing, but the kids don't quite have the interest for trying the violin, yet!  Probably a lot to do with I haven't been able to spend much time with them lately.

They're just having fun learning about music in general here - by counting, drawing, matching, etc...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/38/8d/3f388dca3c53ac602507e67b7ab50f0f.jpg- Emily

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