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Oops! Double post! Another thought is the lack of hole is for the new packaging they are advertising . 

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Off topic for a minute.  I also seem to do a lot of double posts but do not know if it is me or the site software ?

Magic Rosin.  I like the "grab" but it only seems to last at peak for maybe 1/2 hour.  However, none of my other rosins lasts any longer.

FIDDLERMAN - How often do you apply rosin during a gig ? Or can you play perhaps an hour without more rosin ??

 

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That is a great questions Oliver. I can play minimum 2-3 hours without adding rosin. When I play double shifts I only apply rosin when I first take out my fiddle. I will test how long the rosin lasts with Magic Rosin as well. How long can you guys play without adding rosin?

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I can tell a difference in about 1/2 hour.  Maybe I'm not aggressive enough with the bow (?)

 

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Maybe it's the rosin. I am still playing 3 services a day now and haven't had the time to test the Magic Rosin. Look forward to doing that.

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It occurs to me that any rosin evaluation (including mine) is subject to doubts if one does not start with a "raw" bow(hair).

How would you conduct a fair test of a new rosin ?

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Good question Oliver. Maybe it would be ideal to clean the rosin off the bow. Many use denatured alcohol, though I have never tried this.

To conduct a fair test I would probably need to get a hold of 4-6 similar bows with new hair. I would first test the gripping properties then durability.  

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I used some super fine sanding paper (like 1000 from the auto section) to take the rosin off my bow. It's a cheapy freebie bow that came with the violin, but I had to experiment FOR SCIENCE! 

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OK.  Now what has all your science revealed to you about the rosin Smile  ?

 

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Sandpaper, Hmmmmmmmmmm

I guess whatever works, right? LOL

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Another way to rapidly de-rosin a bow is to apply a piece of masking tape ( the tan kind ) from the tip down to the frog and then pull it off in the direction of the bow, not sideways like a "T".  (The few hairs that might break were too weak anyway.)

I would NOT suggest using duct tape  !

The sandpaper treatment might actually act as a dressing for the bow hair.

S-M-O-O-T-H .............

 

 

 

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I am really liking the Magic Rosin. I think that I can use it well over an hour without any problems. Best rosin that I have ever tested in any case.

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Now that is some good news.

My only problem is that FIDDLERMAN mentioned about rotating the rosin during application so as not to make a groove which I found impossible to do including that little cloth.  So now I have sticky fingers but a happy rosin.

I have heard many people who like the MAGIC and some who say it is "as good" but no one who just did NOT like it at all.

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OK Oliver,

You have permission to make a grooveWink

The rosin makers will be happy. They will be able to sell more rosin.Cool

I think that I should make a video about applying rosin.

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It's a matter of principle now !

YES, you should demonstrate for us who can't chew gum and whistle Dixie at the same time.

If you can do it with the little cloth in place I will REALLY be impressed.

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How is this? Cool I love new ideas for videos.

 

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Definitely the "next level" above my (lack of) technique but 5 times ? ?

I'll try and see what happens.

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5 times is an approximation. Depends on how often you rosin your bow.
The magic rosin seems to be good enough that 5 times is plenty.Laugh 

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OK.  Yes, I get a lot more feedback from the bow, the strings respond quicker and I also believe that the tone is better.

You mentioned lesson topics and I might have one IF IN FACT it is worthwhile to know. 

Many sites have a mention of "balance point" of a bow.  Ok, that's easy enough BUT is there any practical application?  I often find myself on the wrong end of the bow for what I want to do, musically, and some people say not to play below the balance point but it's all very confusing?

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I'll be happy to make one about where to play on the bow for different applications and sounds.

The balance point has more bearing regarding spiccato where the bow bounces by itself and is usually close to the middle of the bow.

As far as the people who say not to play below the balance point. Don't pay any attention to that. They either don't know what they are talking about or they are bad at explaining it. There is no part of the bow that you shouldn't play on.

Frog: attacks, accented beginnings, accented chords, very slow staccato, beginnings of long notes....

middle: medium to fast staccato, short slower on the bow marcato type strokes, middle of long notes, detache when the location is practical, detache double stops for added weight, Bruckner type tremolo

tip: soft flautando bowing, detache, certain types of short marcato bowing with more space between the notes, ponticello, tremolo, end or beginning of long notes.

These ideas just of the top of my head. Anyone please feel free to add to the list.....

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