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Oliver
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Fiddlerman --------- did we get a final verdict on Magic Rosin ?

I rate it up with any of the best that I have tried.  Maybe extra grabby, which I like.

 

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I'm bad Oliver,

I keep switching from my Andrea rosin and the "Magic Rosin". Therefor hard to give a correct evaluation at this time. On one hand, it is comparable to a 30+ dollar rosin and that isn't bad at all. I remember trying all kinds of rosins about 10 years ago cause mine was getting extremely thin and I wanted to make a great choice for the rosin that I was going to be using for perhaps 20 more years.

I was blown away by Andrea. "Magic Rosin", is absolutely a good rosin but I have to be disciplined and stick to it for at least a week of intensive playing to make sure that I am not still on my Andrea. I don't want to put masking tape or sandpaper on my bow hair.Surprised

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The other safe rosin remover is Jack Daniels if you want to be real cautious.

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Here's a real beginner's question:  How do I know when I have too much/too little rosin on my bow?  How do I know the scratchy sound I get is because of a rosin problem and not because of tiredness on my side?  I'm a real beginner and I find that after about 20 mins of practicing, I get really tired and start to make funny sounds. I also become very tense in my body.  How can I counter that? Please give advise!

 

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Many things here.

Are you letting the bow slide sideways and not going perfectly straight ?  This can make funny noises. 

20 minutes playing can be a long time for a beginner.  Make sure you are comfortable.  Are you using a shoulder rest ?  A chin rest ?

Also, make sure you look at the tutorial videos on this site to learn as much as you can.

It takes some experience to know about rosin but if you have too little than the violin will not make the loudest sound.

 

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As far as too much rosin is concerned, don't worry about it causing a bad sound, just a mess to clean off the belly of your violin. Too little can keep the strings from vibrating and can give you a bad sound if you must press too hard to compensate.

Oliver's point about bowing straight is a very good one.
Try to analyze what you are doing when you get a scratchy sound and what you are doing when the sound is good to pinpoint the difference. When you hear that the sound is scratchy try a few different things.

 

  • Move the bow away from the bridge to see if it gets better and closer for the same comparison.
  • Apply less pressure to the bow, more pressure.
  • Play with flatter hair on the strings and not angled too much and vise versa to experiment.
  • Speed up the bow, slow the bow down.
  • Check if the open strings are sounding better than the fingered ones and if so, apply more left hand finger pressure. Also try playing more on the tips of your left hand fingers and adversely with the flat of your fingers.

As far as being tense and tired. Do everything that you can to be relaxed. Focus on each and every body part that may be tense. Use only the minimal force for the task at hand. If you are sitting in a chair, sit up right as one can get more tired from slouching. If you sit try standing to see if it is better. If you are standing, try sitting. Alternate between the two if it helps.

Feel free to give us a report of your discoveries. Good luck and happy fiddling.Laugh

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Thanks for your replies and advise!  I've found that, among other things, I tend to hold the bow hair at an angle to the strings - it definitely makes a difference if it remains flat on the strings! I still battle with relaxation! Being somewhat of a perfectionist, I want to sound perfect right from the beginning and get really tense when I battle to produce a good sound.  Think I must start yoga! Wink

Thanks for the forum! I'm really enjoying it!

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Another, less likely possibility that I didn't mention earlier is bad equipment or adjustments needed. Loose, tight, or improperly fitted soundpost - bad or old strings - bad or crooked bridge - unglued back or belly - loose basebar........ etc.

Yoga sounds like a good idea. I guess being stiff doesn't help anyone.

I tried yoga a few times and determined that I am the least tense person that I know. Embarassed 

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Jack Daniels, Oliver. Funny!

Well, I have problems too with being tense while playing. Was wondering if anyone has heard of BTS, Body Talk System. It's supposed to be really good for musicians.

Was thinking of making an appointment. Smile

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Is your tension caused by public performance or is it strictly muscular ?

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Franike said:

Here's a real beginner's question:  How do I know when I have too much/too little rosin on my bow?  How do I know the scratchy sound I get is because of a rosin problem and not because of tiredness on my side?  I'm a real beginner and I find that after about 20 mins of practicing, I get really tired and start to make funny sounds. I also become very tense in my body.  How can I counter that? Please give advise!

 

You might try three ten minute sessions a day instead of one 30 minute session. This might help you stay relaxed.Too little rosin will create too little sound rather than scratchy sounds, and too much rosin doesn't affect the sound at all (it just causes a mess).

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Oliver said:

Is your tension caused by public performance or is it strictly muscular ?

Well, I guess it's a combination of both. I tend to tense up easy. Even when I drive my car, work, etc. I guess I need a good relaxation technique.

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LoopyLoonyLuna said:

Franike said:

Here's a real beginner's question:  How do I know when I have too much/too little rosin on my bow?  How do I know the scratchy sound I get is because of a rosin problem and not because of tiredness on my side?  I'm a real beginner and I find that after about 20 mins of practicing, I get really tired and start to make funny sounds. I also become very tense in my body.  How can I counter that? Please give advise!

 

You might try three ten minute sessions a day instead of one 30 minute session. This might help you stay relaxed.Too little rosin will create too little sound rather than scratchy sounds, and too much rosin doesn't affect the sound at all (it just causes a mess).

Thanks for your reply!  I'm slowly getting the hang of things and are making less and less undesirable sounds Wink.  I'm getting to know my optimal practicing  session length  - I am now able to realize when I'm getting too tired or tense.  I'm enjoying every minute I spend with the violin.

 

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Franike said:

I'm enjoying every minute I spend with the violin.

That's what I like to hear. Good for you!!! Smile 

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