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I think I will try this, I’m going to ask my wife if she can hear the hissing sound. If she says yes, I’m then going to say, well you know the higher end violins like the Holstein MJZ don’t have that hissing sound! 😂 Maybe she will say, well you need to upgrade to that one!

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@x Coach Too funny! roflol

Viola Time! 

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Interesting conversation about string noise.

Skip to the 8 minute mark if you don't want to listen to the first part.

 

Mark

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Albert Sammons

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Yup, interesting indeed.  It's all in the detail and how you, the individual, WANT the instrument to respond (and your own "understanding and awareness" of the nature of the sound being produced).  Thanks for the link @Mark 

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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x Coach said
I think I will try this, I’m going to ask my wife if she can hear the hissing sound. If she says yes, I’m then going to say, well you know the higher end violins like the Holstein MJZ don’t have that hissing sound! 😂 Maybe she will say, well you need to upgrade to that one!

  

Oh man!! You gave me a wonderful idea here.

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@x Coach and @starise 

You guys are all alike! Big on talk but afraid to buy a little violin! Do you think your wives don’t know what you are up to if you do that? I will let you in on a little secret. We KNOW! Yes, we let you think you tricked us, but in reality, you are so afraid of us that you have to crouch and scheme and try to trick us. The funny thing is, even after the beans have been spilled, you will keep on doing it. Some things never change.

Ah, another door left wide open. Shouldn’t do that in the Winter. It is cold out!

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Viola Time! 

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I wonder if changing the strings will help? I was thinking of obligatos since I heard it sounds more warmer?

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Just an observation, Just over a year ago, I bought number 60 violin from Michael's used / new/ one of a kind fiddles.

Michels comment was it was still maturing in sound but projected well. And j agree if projected well for a new instrument. And I did not hear a for lack of  a better description a nasal/hiss sound coming off the strings in the video. Upon receiving the instrument i immediately could hear this nasal/hiss being produced on the G, D, and A strings while playing the new fiddle. After about 6 months the G and D strings opened up and they were warm and clear but the A string still had that nasal/ hissing sound when I played it. After over year of playing the A string finally opened up one day a couple of weeks ago, now it's now warm and clear like the G, D  string had become over 6 months ago. Perhaps since this a new fiddle it just needs played and allowed to open up and the hiss may go away.

Just food for thought.

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@@Mark I really hope the hiss does go away.

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@bunify and anyone else wondering about bunify’s issue.

I had Pirastro Obligatos on Rudy for a while. Rudy is a warm sounding violin by nature. The Obligatos made him warmer and the sound that I think you are talking about was still there, but not as sharp and bothersome. Rudy is my more expensive violin, so even they have that sound. The Violino strings had the same affect. They were made by Pirastro and were a less expensive Obligato. You can hear the difference, but I am so bothered by sounds and aware of small differences (a big hindrance), that that might just be me. 

Pirastdo discontinued, or is in the process of discontinuing, the Violino line and just keeping Obligato. That is what Pirastro told me. But, strings are made in bulk and they will be in warehouses for dealers to sell for quite a while.

You could try Violinos if you don’t want  to go the big bucks for Obligato right away. I have both. There is a slight difference between them on Rudy. Obligato is warmer and deeper than the Violinos. The sound that I think you are talking about, was mellower on Rudy with both sets, I do recall that. The sound was mellower, as were the strings, so it was not as harsh. Again, this may be due to my reaction to sounds in general. When my current strings on Rudy wear out, I am putting the Obligatos back on. 

If I was sure I would not be using the Violinos, I would send them to you, but another violin is calling out for them. Will let you know if that violin does not like Violinos.

You might not be the same result on your violin. 

Viola Time! 

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@x Coach and @starise 

You guys are all alike! Big on talk but afraid to buy a little violin! Do you think your wives don’t know what you are up to if you do that? I will let you in on a little secret. We KNOW! Yes, we let you think you tricked us, but in reality, you are so afraid of us that you have to crouch and scheme and try to trick us. The funny thing is, even after the beans have been spilled, you will keep on doing it. Some things never change.

Ah, another door left wide open. Shouldn’t do that in the Winter. It is cold out!

😇

  

All in jest cid all in jest smile Me and the missus have an understanding. If she wants something she knows I don't care. Her thing is photography, so she has oodles of cameras and just bought another one. We do discuss it but it's never a tug of war. Did I think she needed another camera? Not really as in "need". The new one does a lot of cool stuff the others don't. If she wants it she gets it.

Sort of the same thing I have with violins and music stuff in general. I made the mistake once of saying a guitar purchase would be the last one because it was a variax guitar that could emulate 27 guitars very accurately, so it's like having a Les Paul and a Fender Stratocaster ...you get the idea. At the time I believed what I said.....that was until I seen the nylon string acoustic and the Martin D15M. After then I never said I wouldn't need another guitar and disclosed to her my error.

When it comes to violins I am finding it's the same way.....if I went to her and said I seen this violin her first response would probably be, " How much?" Before I have finished my sentence she would say...go ahead. I was under the impression my last "intermediate" violin was all I would ever need. I'm not so sure. Given the right violin, the right price and the right circumstance we might be having that conversation again laugh I have a few I need to send to a good luthier first because the need some work.

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@starise Yep, all in jest. I love those open doors you guys leave! Sometimes, you just have to joke around.

Sounds like Jer and I. We just keep each other apprised to make sure we don’t go overboard in one month. We have a monthly limit that we rarely even reach, but we just let each other know what we do during the month so we are aware of what will wait til the next month. I will usually hold off the few times we reach the limit. Usually when my husband is needing something, it is to finish or start a project. He is on hold until he gets it. My items don’t hold me back if I have to wait. 

Back to the hiss. Did you find anything similar with that issue with the guitar? I know they aren’t bowed, But they do vibrate. It is not right next to your ear, either. I never heard anything like that with my stint with the guitar. I never got proficient with it. Just wondering. I am thinking not.

I think it is due to its closeness to the ear. I hear it on the violin and viola, not my cello.

Viola Time! 

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cid said
@starise Yep, all in jest. I love those open doors you guys leave! Sometimes, you just have to joke around.

Sounds like Jer and I. We just keep each other apprised to make sure we don’t go overboard in one month. We have a monthly limit that we rarely even reach, but we just let each other know what we do during the month so we are aware of what will wait til the next month. I will usually hold off the few times we reach the limit. Usually when my husband is needing something, it is to finish or start a project. He is on hold until he gets it. My items don’t hold me back if I have to wait. 

Back to the hiss. Did you find anything similar with that issue with the guitar? I know they aren’t bowed, But they do vibrate. It is not right next to your ear, either. I never heard anything like that with my stint with the guitar. I never got proficient with it. Just wondering. I am thinking not.

I think it is due to its closeness to the ear. I hear it on the violin and viola, not my cello.

  

The only annoyance playing guitar is finger slide noises when trying to record. I play finger style and sometimes the way my fingers hit the strings can have a thump sound. This is why nylon strings are better for recording for me.

The issue bunify mentions is sort of hard for me to pin down. It kind of reminds me of the "scratchy" sound you would hear on those toys kids play with that have a cord you pull to hear a recording. Right before you hear the recording there's a real hiss sort of sound. I have always heard a light sound like that coming from my violin when using a decent bow. Part of that is the horse hair pulling across the strings. Part of it is the ability of the violin to amplify those really high scratchy sounds. Like others have mentioned, this is really an asset to the total sound when heard from a distance. Not to get too far from the subject. I think this applies here. Recording technology is so good now that you can hear only the sound you recorded. In the old days they exclusively used tube driven gear which gave the sound a pleasant saturation or a light hiss that added favorable coloration to the sound.. Guitarists use tubes in amplifiers to add "dirt" to a distorted signal or to a lesser degree a pleasant light distortion of the signal. So what do they do now? They have tube emulation software to try and capture that same color. Seems like two steps forward and two steps back. People want that "sound". We have new gear and we need to emulate old gear....................I see this as similar. Adding some "dirt" to a violin probably has a pleasant effect when heard from a distance. It agitates the harmonics, excites the general sound in a positive way. If you have sensitive ears it's likely annoying up close if you don't wear ear plugs. That's my .000000000002 worth.

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bunify said
I wonder if changing the strings will help? I was thinking of obligatos since I heard it sounds more warmer?

  

I posted about those in case you haven't read it yet.  What I noticed about the soloist I purchased is the projection difference between what I was used to and it.  my other violin is tight sounding or a little more muted or closed sounding compared.  So far on the soloist Ive had the vision they came with, Kaplan amo and obligatos.  As far as any string suggestions since they are new, if it were me, I'd keep the visions on them a few months if you can manage to overlook the sound and when its time to change maybe consider the obligatos if You're still not happy.  My main idea was I didn't like the Amo's as much as I thought I would.  The ob's so far have been great.  BUT..whos to say it may be because the violin has been played a lot..maybe my ear and what I like has changed.  its hard to nail down.  I just know I wasn't happy with the Kaplans and wanted to pass..not so much that point but that the obligatos work well on my soloist.  I think overall a string change will be a tweek and Id be willing to say in general fiddlershop has found the visions to be an overall good choice for a soloist.  Maybe that helps..

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I agree Greg. Obligato strings are both powerful and just the right amount of darkness. They don't work on all instruments and they are a little stiff at first but they are great strings. Not so cheap though. 🙁

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A year ago all I could hear was the noise. Now I can't remember when I last heard it.

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Exactly. That just the way it is.

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but the one who needs the least."

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